Offerings at the feet of Sai

NOTES


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ML Vasanthakumari


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/uguaum2sjlfd3dm/MLV_001-Dharini-Thelesu-Suddha-Saveri.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/gkataut2gdzudg5/MLV_002-Lalisidalu_Magana_Yashode_Arabhi_Adi_Purandaradasa.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/w5tdd61jfojt5mx/MLV_003-Evarigai-Deavamanohari.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ll1kmhrj2p535th/MLV_004-Baaro_krishnayya-Maand-ragamalika-Kanakadasa.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/u0o47794pqlbliq/MLV_005-Emako-Tilang-Annamacharya.mp3

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/p00lop2jojdd3yu/MLV_007-Mama_Kuleswaram-Thodi.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/426chgg43wvzbwm/MLV_008-VaraRagaLaya-Senjukambodhi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/sygmnoqx2mwi7jg/MLV_009-Namo_namo-_desige_todi-trishra-laghu.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/us277x3luwi2xss/MLV_012-MamakuleshvaramShastaramSantatam-Thodi-TEka-GNB.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/45ka89ubmw17c8q/MLV_013-pari-pUrNa-kAma-pUrvikalyANi-rUpaka-Thyagarajar.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/75l56mjy0ci7dt2/MLV_016-sogasu-jUda-KannadagouLa-rUpaka.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/gqxvzllmracqq8u/MLV_017-Paarkadal-Ragamaligai.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/9ap82aq1c90y0kd/MLV_018-Eka_dantam-_Bilahari%2C_Misrachapu%2C_Dikshitar.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/hbhj5xvb7syhlm5/MLV_019-Pranamamyaham-Gowli-Adhi-_MYSORE_VASUDEVACHAR.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/80nbk31qcrvv8lh/MLV_020-Murganin_Marupayar-Behag.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/9gz3gen4dy63y3h/MLV_022-AnandaNatanaJagadeesha-_Keeravani-RTP.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/huncby8m2ivxazb/MLV_023_-_Manadirkuhandadu_-Sindhu_Bhairavi-TanjavurShankaraIyer.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/1rna4sg6wedtdjw/MLV_024-Idathupatham_Thookki_Khamas-1957_Radio_Colombo.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2ddi3mh1ueb2u1u/MLV_025-InnuDayaBarade-kalyanavasantham-Purandaradasaru.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2ddi3mh1ueb2u1u/MLV_025-InnuDayaBarade-kalyanavasantham-Purandaradasaru.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/jsl2d3dfts39fyh/MLV_026-Biranavaralichi-Kalyani-Rupaka.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/9fdrvnl4rd7s5cj/MLV_027-Kannulu_takani.kalyanavasantam.mp3

 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/cejxd678d5mns2e/MLV_028-MAtha_innum-shrIranjani-Adhi-pApanAsham_shivan.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/0tm7x6x7sx65p62/MLV_029-Jambupate_Yamunakalyani_Rupakam.mp3

 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/fks91w816q4fwkg/MLV_030-RTP-shuBha_panthUvarALi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/48hv1d4vuwq476e/MLV_031-Azhaga_Azhaga_Suddhadhanyasi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/49t993zwui10uv7/MLV_032-SarasadalaNayana_Khamas_TTriputa.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/26f68l7c322arp4/MLV_033-RTP_in_Sunada_vinodini_%26_Bhairavi-mlv.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/069dl6kn4owofap/MLV_034-HogadiraloRanga-Shankarabharanam-MChapu-Purandaradasaru.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/a92c4xundro4b4n/MLV_037-Paada_darushana_-_Aarabhi.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/lt5pc7533a8n5qb/MLV_038-ShriVenugopala_Kurinji_KEka.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/788yix98aene4e9/MLV_039-VaraRagaLaya-Senjukambodhi-ML_Vasantha_Kumari.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/606vskdakf66ngt/MLV_040-Aaneyakaredare.mp3


http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2i7xnibifx6s9xa/MLV_042-Harismarana.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/k698s8l428dfxe6/MLV_043-Marivera_dikkevarayya-Shanmughapriya-Pattanam_Subramania_Iyer.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/3hltdmmpbwut6rf/MLV_044-AndhiMayanguthadi-MLV.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/rovvgtdiv367sy7/MLV_045-Viriboni-Bhairavi-P_Adiyapayya.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/bucq999qqzz1mkx/MLV_046-Swaminatha_Nata_Aadi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/nj1jmawcajcrsa5/MLV_047-Vathapi-Hamsadwani-Dikshithar.mp3

 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ptgb1h33ctyqgah/MLV_049-Jagadanandakaraka-Nattai-Tyagaraja.mp3

 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/d0uabp89e1z9418/MLV_050-Sri_Parthasarathi_na-Sudda_dhanyasi-Dikshithar.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/35vpiadle2xre5q/MLV_051-Tiruvadi_saranam-Kambhoji-G.Bharati.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/cohhf70inxigbzh/MLV_052-Mariyada_gadayya-Bhairavam-Tyagaraja.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/248qpqmq18r3gd5/MLV_053-Anupama_gunambudhi-Atana-Tyagaraja.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/h9veba0piorf0t8/MLV_054-Ragam_Tanam_Pallavi-Kalyani.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/aa0jb5vcr8c17i9/MLV_055-Koovi_azhaithal_Kural_Koduppan-Valaji-Vali.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/4jen39bv29wy5fp/MLV_056-Muralidhara_gopala-Maand-Periasami_Thooran.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/panb6kqddbr8hj6/MLV_057-Bhajan.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/12jpw7yn4xxrgh4/MLV_058-Ananda_natamaduvar-Poorvikalyani-N_Sivan.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/9qxredn6rnmzuyz/MLV_059-Theeratha_vilayattu-Ragamalika-S_Bharatiar.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/nnwdsmw09sow8bp/MLV_060-Ellam_Inba_mayam-Ragamalika-U_Narayana_Kavi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/juzgnju4gbqb10m/MLV_061-Thillana.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/niejfijn9209g53/MLV_062-_Sloka_followed_by_kare_dare_bara_baarde.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/mrv95mly8t5pyb4/MLV_063-Sankarabaranam-Ragam-mlv.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/qiqpa42ra2t89si/MLV_065-_O_Raajeevaksha-Arabhi_and_Naradamuni_-_Raga_Pantuvarali.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/sp7dslesnoz0jtt/MLV_067-RTP-pallavi-RAgamAlike_shahana_abhEri_kalyANavasantha-thani_Avarthane.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/fcfikalshstyiob/MLV_069-Paada_darushana_-_Aarabhi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/azl2pez3va0swtx/MLV_070-_Maragadha_-_Aarabhi-venkatakavi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/up5o67l35xqnbdq/MLV_071-Manasaramatiyani-Saramati-Aadi-TanjavurShankaraIyer.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/887xyhy4uew06yy/MLV_072-Nannupalimpa_Mohanam.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2jxq6sikoamkj77/MLV_073-Rama_rama_-Vasantha.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/i7eyzxiib03b4gb/MLV_074-Vara_Vallabha_Ramana_GNB_Hamsadhwani2.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/5rgwrpaxak71g17/MLV_075-SrI_Viswanatham_Bhajeham.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/gbhe4dd5cscqadd/MLV_076-nija_dhAsa_varadha-kalyANi-Adhi-patNam_subrahmaNya_iyer.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/1h88llx5m529q8u/MLV_077-nIkeppuDu_daya_vaccunO-AbhOgi-MLV-Mysore_Sadha_siva_rao.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/f8bcbbc9e4ktk8b/MLV_079-jambU_patE_-_yamunA_kalyANi_-_Dikshadar.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/kb11wxiw5j8orzq/MLV_081-Kanakasabesa.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/pz1ii4b8la52nn7/MLV_082-AdinayE_kaNNA-mOhanakalyANi-Adhi-ambujam_krishna.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/aeeo8i6ybja3wcw/MLV_083-kaNNan_enradumE-rAgamAlike-Adhi-ambujam_krishNa.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/obccpce6427013c/MLV_084-Kannara_kande_achutana_kanchi_punya_Varali_Adi_Purandaradasa.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/4542ey12ku5q261/MLV_085-nija_dhAsa_varadha-kalyANi-Adhi-patNam_subrahmaNya_iyer.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ra8t35zlaj0dcad/MLV_086-Pallavi_tani-14.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ra8t35zlaj0dcad/MLV_086-Pallavi_tani-14.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/m7yr0s1yitr8j28/MLV_087-pazhani_ninra_paraman-kApi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/zy4dzwvnvcrivq2/MLV_088-Bharati_deviya_nene_nene_%E2%80%93_kharaharapriya-_aadi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/g6edh60z144bp2g/MLV_088-tAmadamEn_svAmi-tODi.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/lbmrcvdxb2b1c5v/MLV_089-Thodi-RTP.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/898u1vlrrukvxxl/MLV_092-E_SWARA-019-Smt._ML_Vasanthakumari-namO-namO-dEsige-tOdi-trishra-laghu-MLV.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ke45njv46cac8n2/MLV_092-Idhu_Sakasamulu_Saindhavi_Adi_SwathiThirunal.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/c8fn4dfl9g2qkf3/MLV_093-E_SWARA-020-Smt.ML_Vasanthakumari-srI-vENugopAlA-kuranji.mp3


 http://www.mediafire.com/listen/7vx4s4d7ddwi69j/MLV_102-E_SWARA-018-Smt._ML_Vasanthakumari-RTP-Bairavi_Malika-Bairavi-Natabhairavi-Maha_Bairavi.mp3


























MD Ramanathan



MDR 000-TNK-UKS-AIR Concert


p-MDR 001-Shri sarasvati namostute-Arabhi.mp3

 http://www.mediafire.com/download/7jufbddc0or6c2t/p-MDR_001-Shri_sarasvati_namostute-Arabhi.mp3

MDR 002-Varugalamo


MDR 003-Ra Ra Raghuvera-Mohanam


MDR 004-Jagadamba


MDR 005-Viriboni


MDR 006-Kadannuvariki


MDR 008-KamakshiAmbaAnudinamu-Bhairavi-MChapu-MDRamanathan



MDR 009--Ramachandram


MDR 010-BalagopalaPalaya-Bhairavi-adi


MDR 011-MahaganapatimManasaSmarami_Nata


MDR 012-Nilakantam_bhajeham_Kedaragowlai_Rupaka


013-RamachandramBhavayami_Vasanta_Rupaka


MDR 014-Mayatheertha-Mayamallavagowla


MDR 015-kriti


MDR 016-TNK-UKS-AIR Concert


MDR 017-JananiNinuvina-ReetiGowla-MishraChapu-SubbarayaSastry


MDR 018-Enta bhagyamu mapala galgetivi evvaridu - sAranga


MDR 019-Kaligi yuntegada galgunu kamita phala dayaka - kIravAN


MDR 020-Koniyadedu_Nayedu_-_Kokiladhwani


MDR 021-Lochana - Darbar


MDR 026-Mokshamu galada bhuvilo jivanmuktulu gani - sAramati


MDR 027-padavini_-_salagabhairav


MDR 028-Paripalaya - Ritigoula


MDR 031-rama_rama_-_nilambari


MDR 032-Samaja_Vara_Gamana_-_Hindolam


MDR 033-Samayamithe - Kedaram


MDR 035-Seethapathe_-_Kamas


MDR 037-Tera_tiyaka_-_Gowlipantu


MDR 038-Vidajaladura na manasu vinara na - janaranjani
MDR 038-Vidajaladura na manasu vinara na - janaranjani.wma

MDR 039-Vina nashakoni nanura vishva rupuda ne - pratApavarALi


MDR 040-Dorakuna-Bhilahari


MDR 041-Giripaai-Sahana


MDR 042--Mayageetha-Mayamalavagowlai


MDR 043-Tera tiyaga rada loni tirupati - gauLipantu


MDR 044-nAma_kusumA-srirAgA-Adi-tyAgarajA


MDR 046-Shri sarasvati namostute-Arabhi


MDR 047-Geetharthamu-Suruti


MDR 048-trilOka-mAtA--paraju--cApu


MDR 050-Korinavaramu-Ramapriya


MDR 052-BhajaReBhajaMaanasa


MDR 053--KsheerasaagarasayanaNannu


MDR 054--NeeMadiChallaga


MDR 055--RaamaNeeyada


MDR 056--SreeChaamundesvariSrtaphaladaayaki


MDR 057-mohana-mayi--yedhukula-kambodhi


MDR 058-Navarasa_Slokam


DR 059-Slokam_Krishnakarnamrutham


MDR 060-SLOKAM-RAGAMALIKE


MDR 061-Slokam__Ragamalikai


MDR 062-MangalaSlokam-Ragamalika


MDR 063-ni_ri_ni_ri_ga_ma_ga_ri_sA-PUrvi-rUpaka-T_SubbarAma_bhAgavathar


MDR 064- Gajananam Ragamalika-Slokam


MDR 065- Karara vindena - Bala Mukundaashtakam Sloka-Ragamalika


MDR 066-Slokam-Ragamalika


MDR 067-Bhavayami_Raghuramam_Bhavya_Suguna-Ragamalika


068--Nimati_challaga_nannu_brochutakemamma_Anandabhairavi_Adi_Matrubhu

 MDR 143-own compositions-My Audio_001..

 MDR 143-own compositions-My Audio_001.mp3

concert details:
 001-Sarasija-(Varnam)-Kaambodhi
 002-VIGHNARAJA-SRIRANJANI
 003-HariyumHaranum-Atana-Aadi-
 004-Mangala-charane
 005-VELAVANE-UNAKKU_SAHANA
 006-Slokam-Viruttam-Ragamalika
 007-Thillana-Purvikalyani-

MDR 002-Neerupamujuchi---varnam-Thodi-MDR

MDR 002-Neerupamujuchi---varnam-Thodi-MDR.mp3











Music and Astrology

 MY POSTINGS AT RASIKAS.ORG...

22 Aug 2012 14:08

 Music and Astrology :

Astrological considerations- indications necessary for a musician
The speech (voice) is governed by the second house (from Lagna) in a horoscope.
Mercury is considered the planet (Karaka)
which has control over speech ( Voice).
So, if the second house,
The lord ( ruler) of the second house,
And the karaka-Mercury
Are strong,
We can say that the native viz., the owner of the horoscope is sure to have a sweet voice which itself can be called half Music!
If these are weak and afflicted, he will be having a coarse voice and missing the musical touch.

Venus is also considered as the planet of artistic pursuits including music. Moon is stated to stand for mind and human emotions.
The interest in artistic pursuits is provided by Venus on Mercury and Moon.

If these planets-Mercury Moon and Venus join together it would be better.
For a successful vocalist the blessings of Venus are a pre-requisite.
Mars is a planet which provides courage and fearlessness on stage.
Mars is also the karaka of the third house which among other things provides clue to the musical knowledge of the individual. As such he is also one of the planet along with the above three planets to be watched for vocalist.

The tenth house represents the career and its ruler and the karaka of the tenth house Viz., Sun and Saturn will determine whether the artist would pursue his talents in music as a profession.

For success in any field Sun plays an important role
As also the fifth and ninth houses for invoking divine blessings.
There has to be relationship between the above planets and houses for a successful career in music..
If one is able to study the position of planets in their horoscope,
And also their relationship vis a vis they occupy, he can possibly determine the career relating to music…

Astrology and Music:
(Courtesy-http://www.astrouniverse.com/music.php
This site is not available now..)...

Some of the features are detailed below…

Both Astrology and music are devotional

Music has sounds and rhythms based on mathematical calculations and are as old as the Vedas as is the case with Astrology which is a contemporary science. ( The distance between any two notes is called an interval which has a mathematical base.)

Music is essentially made up of twelve tones. These 12 tones are called the chromatic scale.

In Astrology there are twelve zodiac signs as is the case with twelve swaras.

It is stated that the swaras are identified with Zodic signs :
There is reference to the above at...
also...
http://www.carnatica.net/dimensions/astrology.htm

Kanya Rasi (Virgo) - Suddha Rishabha
Tula (Libra) - Chatusruti Rishabha
Vrischika (Scorpio) - Sadharana Gandhara
Dhanus (Sagittarius) - Antara Gandhara
Mithuna (Gemini) - Kakali Nishada

Vrishaba (Taurus) - Kaisika Nishada
Mesha (Aries) - Chatusruti Daivata
Meena (Pisces) - Suddha Daivata
Makara (Capricorn) - Suddha
Kumbha (Aquarius) - Suddha

The two swaras Shadja and Panchama are important in music and these are identified with the Sun and Moon representing the signs Leo and cancer.

As sun and moon are identified with Shadja and Panchama,
there is identification between other planets and swaras also.

Both astrology and music have curing effects in medical parlance.
A weak plant causing physical or mental hardship can be rid off by strengthening the planet with relevant Chanting of mantras or slogas.
Similarly there are ragas which are stated to give relief for the ailments.

Just as Sapta talas of Carnatic music , we have sevan planets ( Ragu and kethu are considered as Chaya Grahas) in Astrology.

Veena E.Gayathri on Nakshatras and Raga Devathas/Astrology……
Read at http://egayathri.blogspot.in/2009/04/na ... ology.html

suggestions for improvement are welcome...


If you interested you can visit my blog at http://e-swari.blogspot.in/2011/03/astrology.html

for matters relating to Astrology...


varsha

 22 Aug 2012 18:06
The way I sing , I doubt if any else has ever had a horoscope similar to mine :@
Since Adam and Eve .
Now atleast I know the reason for my misery :)

nri

 22 Aug 2012 18:57
Should Capricorn and Aquarius be associated with shudha madhyama and prati madhyama?

Reading about almanac after ages and am quite able to relate ... Rasikas.org is sort of becoming a - One place, know all ... Thanks for offering something for everyone :clap:

nri 

22 Aug 2012 19:03

varsha wrote: Now atleast I know the reason for my misery :)

One goodness about this astrology, though one may not understand most of it is that someone else can be blamed for all our misery ...
vk... 22 Aug 2012 19:36
"Should Capricorn and Aquarius be associated with shudha madhyama and prati madhyama?"

Saturn is the ruler of these two houses..

Is possibly due to the dual nature of Saturn......

"a). as a "disciplined effort; acceptance of duties and responsibility, patience, organization, reliability."

or b). as "self-restriction through too much reliance on self and lack of faith; rigidity; coldness; defensiveness; crippling inhibition; fearfulness and negativity"
 22 Aug 2012 19:57

Astrology can provide assistance in shaping one’s career. This is what learned people have stressed again and again.
You have take it only as a guidance...perhaps desist from depending on predictions.

Recently, I came across an article quoted by my daughter in FB..." The Ant Philosophy"..
Quote:
The Ant Philosophy

I think everybody should study ants. They have an amazing four-part philosophy.

Here is the first part: Ants never quit. That’s a good philosophy. If they’re headed somewhere and you try to stop them, they’ll look for another way. They’ll climb over. They’ll climb under. They’ll climb around. They
keep looking for another way. What a neat philosophy—to never quit looking for a way to get where you’re supposed to go.

Second, ants think winter all summer. That’s an important perspective. You can’t be so naive as to think summer will last forever. So ants gather their winter food in the middle of summer.

An ancient story says, “Don’t build your house on the sand in the summer.” Why do we need that advice? Because it is important to think ahead. In the summer, you’ve got to think storm. You’ve got to think rocks as you enjoy the sand and sun.

The third part of the Ant Philosophy is that ants think summer all winter. That is so important. During the winter, ants remind themselves, “This won’t last long; we’ll soon be out of here.” And the first warm day, the ants are out. If it turns cold again, they’ll dive back down, but then they come out the first warm day. They can’t wait to get out.

And here’s the last part of the ant philosophy. How much will an ant gather during the summer to prepare for the winter? All he possibly can. What an incredible philosophy, the “all-you-possibly-can” philosophy.

Moral: Never give up, look ahead, stay positive and do all you can....


cmlover

 22 Aug 2012 20:05
Actually the stars do make music
check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7TfNrIBKGI
Here is what the Sun sounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s0R5aiG ... ure=fvwrel
and the planets...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToXaNUjN ... re=related
Good for Vkailasam to make a remix :D

vs_manjunath

23 Aug 2012 04:33
Vkailasam- Quite Interesting !
23 Aug 2012 16:38,,,,VK...

In the Anupallavi of the song 'Bantureethi Kolu', Thyagaraja seeks a guard's post...

Sri Thyagaraja Swamy says that, the guard’s post should be such that he is empowered to destroy all the demons which are Arishadvargas (Arishad Vargas are the six passion of mind, they are Kama - lust, craze, desire; Krodha - anger, hatred; Lobha - greed, miserliness, narrow minded; Moha - delusory emotional attachment; Mada or Ahankara - pride, stubborn mindedness; and Matsarya - envy, jealousy, show or vanity, and pride) and since the guard is empowered to do so, he needs such a guard's post...
Bantu Reethi ms subbulakshmi ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... SG781wrNH8


Scorpio rASI:

The FOLLOWING are the traits commonly endowed with people born with Scorpio rasi or lagna or rasisis which are considered friendly to it especially when they are occupied or are associated by evil planets..which are either natural malefics or by being owners of evil houses..6, 8 and 12…

"There are of Cruel minded, ever busy, financially highly ambitious, firm, heroic, thinks ill of others, angry with malice, quarrelsome,
Treacherous including to friends, intelligent, unsatisfied, powerful, proud and laborious.
Usually they are enriched with wealth & human resources, bestowed with fortunate spouse service inclination , inhibitory for others activities, commits secret sin, backed by friends and servants, involved in extramarital
censored word including marrying a second wife ,angry with parents and having parasitic attitude."

“Envy or malicious nature demonstrates a 'negative emotion' as a result of discontent and ill-will over another's advantages. It is a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something possessed by another. Envy is when you do not measure up to someone else or you very much want something someone else has….

Envy demonstrates spite and resentment at seeing the success of another..

Envy focuses on what others have which they do not have.

Jealousy, on the other hand, focuses on what we have which we want to keep for ourselves. While envy is a desire to possess what another has, jealousy is a refusal to share what one possesses.

Envy or malicious nature can make one feel the pain of deprivation even when one is not actually deprived of. This results in a vicious circle of envy and unhappiness, since your unhappiness causes you to further envy with those who are happy.

Envy focuses on what we not have and how we may have failed. Our energy gets wasted in making comparisons between oneself and others, comparisons that result in feelings of inferiority. This leads to us to envy others and their achievements, and builds barriers between you and them.
Envy can distort our perspectives in life and distract us from our routines and responsibilities.

Envy immobilizes us from doing things that are necessary and important. Our energy is instead channeled towards undermining those we envy".

We often feel envious or malicious because of our own conflicts with self-esteem or with self-limitations.
There is a lack of self-worth and often a feeling of inferiority.

Envy falsely assumes that self-worth can be attained through possessions or achievements. When these belong to someone else, the envious person feels a loss of self-worth and wishes that the other person would lose these things so that his own self-worth can be restored…

23-08-2012...

" Incidentally, a number of modern Vedic astrologers have started recognising the planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan which is offering Astrology courses recognise these three additional planets. The Notes prepared by them for the students of first year Jyotirvid Course offered by them is very interesting and worth perusing:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98631919/THE-SIGNS-OF-THE-ZODIAC-THE-ELEMENTS-TRIPLICITIES-QUADRUPLICITIES-THE-PLANETS-THEIR-ASPECTS-AND-DECANATES

By the by, has anyone written stotrams for these three planets?

cmlover

 23 Aug 2012 20:38
Thanks PB for those thought-provoking references.
You are a invaluable help in finding resources. Thankyou!
vkailasam
Do share more of your thoughts on Music and Astrology.
Of course the one well versed in that area was MD.
I wonder whether RaviSri can add some more.
All interested should read:
"mythologies, Mysteries, Modern facts of the Nine Planets"
by our own VKV ( Dr VK Vishwanathan) (an outstanding scientist)
- a gem of a book (must be available at the Karnatic Book Center).

I wonder whether VKV can add details and prticipate in these enlightening discussions.

23 Aug 2012 20:50
"a number of modern Vedic astrologers have started recognising the planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto."

An interesting question...As far as I could gather, position is brought out...

Some Vedic astrologers have given due respect to the three outer
planets in Vedic chart interpretation and analysis by incorporating
them.

Many astrologers in the west and in India as well do use the Indian system to include the planets beyond Saturn.

They generally are not used as house rulers, however…it is stated that

Pluto rules sidereal sign Scorpio,

Uranus rules sidereal sign Aquarius

and Neptune rules sidereal sign Pisces

...so the house where the
planet is situated is tied in some way to the house in which the
planet rules....

But the rules so far on how to take them into account have not
been stated…

It is also stated that modern planets discovered so far correspond to the elements known to the ancients—air (Uranus, god of the heavens), water (Neptune, god of the sea), and fire (Pluto, god of the underworld)…..The reason as to their exclusion from the purview of Vedic astrology is not clear..

The reason that many Vedic astrologers don't use Uranus, Neptune and
Pluto is that the astrology of India is very tradition bound and also multifold reasons…

Everyone still studies the ancient texts on Astrology notably the Bṛhat Parāśara Horāśāstra, and Sārāvalī by Kalyāṇavarman. which never mention Uranus, Neptune and
Pluto. So modern Indian astrologers don't feel they are needed. They feel
that the use of the newly discoverd planets corrupt the perfect ancient
system…..

Dasa and Bukhti does not come in for these three planets until..
further observations are made by the astrological community…..taking into consideration of their very slow movement..as indicated below..

Uranus takes 84 years to orbit the Sun, spending about 7 years in each sign of the zodiac. Uranus was discovered only in 1781 by Sir William Herschel.

Pluto takes 247 years to make a full circuit of the zodiac, but its progress is highly variable: it spends between 15 and 26 years in each sign.

Neptune takes 165 years to orbit the Sun, spending approximately 14 years (13.75) in each sign of the zodiac. Neptune was discovered in 1846.[

Consideration of Dasa/Bukthi as well as Kochara are necessary for any predictions which are still in infant stage....

23 Aug 2012 21:56
cml..

Here is an interesting write up on Musical Compositions of Muthuswami Dikshitar on Planets

Prof. GOWRI KUPPUSWAMY & Dr. M. HARIHARAN....

http://yabaluri.org/TRIVENI/CDWEB/music ... sapr82.htm

As the authors say..."It can thus be seen Muthuswami Dikshitar has not only taken pains to choose appropriate Ragas for his compositions on each of the nine Grahas but also used all the Suladi Sapta Talas enumerated in the famous Tala aphorism for his Navagraha Kritis. The adoption of this Tala principle for this set of group Kritis bears testimony to his outstanding abilities in music and unparalleled gifts as a composer. A noteworthy feature or interesting coincidence is that the sum total of the Aksharas of all the Talas used in these Kritis is 81, which is a multiple of 9, the number of all the Grahas. "


I do not know whether you have come across this: I have not until now...

"There is a saying in South India that the music of Tyagaraja is like a grape - the moment you put it in your mouth it dissolves and is sweet, that of Shyama Shastry is like a banana. One has to peel the skin to eat it.

But the art of Dikshitar is like a coconut: if you want to taste the milk inside you will have to break the hard shell. "


24 Aug 2012 03:34
Slokas on the three outside planets...

It is stated that modern planets discovered so far correspond to the elements known to the ancients—air (Uranus, god of the heavens), water (Neptune, god of the sea), and fire (Pluto, god of the underworld)…..

Water is identified with Neptune- the sea God... Water is varuna…
Varuna Gayathri
"Aum Jalbimbaye Vidmahe

Nila Purushaye Dhimahi
Tanno Varunah Prachodayat

Translation: “Om. Let us meditate on the great Lord Varuana. All the waters in the world are His reflection. May that glorious Varuna Deva, whose form is a beautiful luminous blue, inspire and illumine our mind and understanding.”

There are other slokas also…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/10301009/Slok ... Meanings...

“hamno Mitraha Sham Varunaha Shamno Bhavatvaryama Shamno Brihaspatihi Shamno Indraha Shamno Vishnururukramaha Namo Brahmane Namaste Vayo, Tvameva Pratyaksham Brahmasi, Tvameva pratyaksham Brahma Vadhishyami Kritam Vadishyami Satyam Vadishyami Tanmamavatu, Tadvaktaramavatu Avatu Maama, Avatu Vaktaaram Om Shati, Om Shanti, Om Shanti
May Mitra and Varuna be blissful to us..”

There is no dearth of slogas…

Air (Uranus is identified with God of the heaven)…
Air is vayu

Namo Brahmanne |
Namaste Vaayo |
Tvam-[e]Iva Pratyakssam Brahmaasi |
Tvaam-[e]Iva Pratyakssam Brahma Vadissyaami |
Rrtam Vadissyaami |
Satyam Vadissyaami |
Salutations to Brahman,
Salutations to Vayu (the Breath of Purusha)
You Indeed are the Visible Brahman,
I Proclaim, You Indeed are the Visible Brahman,
I Speak about the Divine Truth,
I Speak about the Absolute Truth,

Fire (Pluto, god of the underworld)…

If one gets deep in to the earth, fire will be burning which causes occasional eruptions... volcanoes

"Subham Karoti Kalyanam
Arogyam Dhana Sampadah
Shatru Buddhi Vinashaya
Dipa Jyotir Namostute

Meaning: The accurate meaning of the mantra is: "I fold my hands before the light that brings prosperity, auspiciousness, good health, abundance of wealth and destruction of the enemy's intellect". Here, Darkness symbolizes enemy's intellect and with the arrival of light, darkness disappears. Likewise, light (God's Grace) destroys darkness (enemy's intellect).

"Deepajyothi Parabrahma
Deepajyothi Janardhana
Deepo Me Hara Tu Paapam
Deepaa Jyothir Namostute"

Meaning: The literal meaning of the mantra is: "I fold my hands before the lord, the maintainer of this creation, in the form of this light. I adore this light, which destroys all the pains resulting from my omissions and commissions".

( collections from the net)...links will be provided...
 24 Aug 2012 05:57
Two songs of Thyagaraja and Purandaradasa refer to planets and their effect ...


GrahaBalamEmi-Revagupti-Deshadi-Tyagaraja
One has to surrender all actions to Hari.
Viz. one’s duties and actions are to be performed with an attitude that the results are dedicated to HIM.

If one does performs so, is it necessary for him to get concerned about the effects of the movements of planets on him ?


This is what Thyagaraja says in GrahaBalamEmi-Revagupti-Deshadi-

What strength the planets have? Only the the grace of Lord Sri Rama has the real strength.
For those who meditate on the beautiful form of the Lord, the strength of the nine planets can prove to have no effect.
To this Tyagaraja as also to those eminent persons who always chant the names of Lord Hari , the afflictions caused by the planets can have no effect as the five great sins and the obstinate (six-fold) enemies - desire etc. (kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada, matsarya) will be removed by the chanting.

Priya Sisters… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQKVllgPl6Q


‘kolaru padigam’ of Tamizh Saint Tirugna Sambandar.
rendered by DV Ramani..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWO9_Pb7kJo

and Naal en seyum Koll en seyum-Tirupugaz

listen here... http://www.kaumaram.com/audio_k/kdc006.html

brings out the same that if one has the

Grace of The Lord, one need not fear for the effects of planetary movements.


Saint Purandara Dasar also brings out the above in his composition:
Sakala graha bala nine sarasijaksha |p|
nikhila rakshaka nine vishwavyapakane |a|

Meaning : O Lord with eyes resembling lotus, you are the one who has powers over all Grahas (planets), which alone protects the entire universe. (which means that it is meaningless to pray shani/rahu/ketu etc without praying shri Hari).

Ravi candra budha nine rahu ketuvu nine
kavi guru shaniyu mangalanu nine
divarathriyu nine nava vidhanavu nine
bhavarogahara nine beshajanu nine |1|

Meaning :

You are sun, moon, venus, or comets, saturn, or any other planet. You are day or night, you are the nine vidhanas (6 vedangas, mimamsa, nyaya, vyakarana), you are the physician who can cure 'bhava' disease (which makes us take birth in this world).

Pakshmasavu nine parva kalavu nine
nakshatra yoga tithi karana nine
akshayavagi draupatiya manakayda
pakshivahana nine rakshakanu nine |2|

Meaning :

You are the pakshamasa (the month which is suitable to give tarpana to our forfothers), you are the parva kala (eclipse), you are good times or inauspicious times, you, the one who protected draupadi by giving infinite saree, are the one who has garuda as your vehicle and protects everyone.

Rutu vatsaravu nine pruthivigadiyu nine
kratu homa yagna sadgatiyu nine
jitavagiyennodeya purandara vitalane
shrutige silukada apratima mahima nine |3|


Meaning :

You are rutu vatsara, ugadi (year begining), all kinds of homas, and yagnas, you are the one to be reached (moksha), O my Lord, purandara vitala, you are the one who is beyond even the vedas (the one who cannot be known just by vedas either).
Muthuswamy Dikshadar seems to have a different view as he had composed songs on Navagrahas.

How the planets go round the set path without deviating .Which is the force behind keeping them in their designated path ?
All the above Saints who had the glimpse of the Lord, seems to agree that if one follows the path set out by Gita and surrenders all actions to Hari and also performs their duty without wishing for their fruits, they need not be concerned about the effects of the movements of planets; as, the Lord is the controlling force behind the grahas….

Shri Sankaran Nambhodhari.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeTMdzTh ... ults_video
 24 Aug 2012 15:05
An analysis of Smt MS Subhulakshmi's horoscope...

By..Akhila Kumar
(The writer, an M Phil in Music, is currently engaged in writing a book on divine music. After completing her two-year course in astrology from Bharatiya Vidya Bhawan, New Delhi, she now teaches astrology there..)

See the link...http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTIC ... akshmi.htm

vs_manjunath

25 Aug 2012 04:28
vkailasam- I want to write the following two krthis

a) sakala graha bala nIne sarasijaaksha -Athana-Purandara Daasa
b) grahabala mEmi ramAnugraha balamE balamu-rEvagupthi- Thyagaraja

Since Rama & krishna are part of Vishnu's Dasaavathaaras, both the above compositions convey Vishnu is supreme and if we worship Vishnu he will take care and ward off evil effects of Nine Planets so on so forth !
 Shri VSM....

Both were brought out at my posting at #18..


thank you......

venkatakailasam 

 27 Aug 2012 08:11

ஹான்ஸ் ஜென்னி என்னும் விஞ்ஞானி ஸ்விஸ் நாட்டை சேர்ந்தவர் தான் ஒலியின் பரிமாணத்தை நம் பார்வைக்கு கொண்டுவந்தவர். இவர் கண்டுபிடித்த சாதனம் தான் டோனோஸ்கோப் (Tonoscope) என்னும் ஒரு வரலாற்று முக்கிய கருவி. இந்த டோனோஸ்கோப்பில் ஓம் என்று உச்சரித்தால் ஸ்ரீ சக்ரா எனப்படும் யந்திர உருவத்தை .காண முடியும் அதன் படத்தையும் இங்கு இணைத்துள்ளேன். நீங்களும் உச்சரித்து பார்த்து தெரிந்து கொள்ளுங்கள்.

For more details...see this link...

http://www.aanthaireporter.com/?p=10301


It is stated that 'OM' gave raise to various musical notes ..
In this context read
http://www.culturopedia.com/music/musicintro.html
for more information on the origin of music..


Similarly, the 12 Astrological signs have unique sound frequencies associated with them…

There are 2 mantras given for each sign, the first mantra is associated with Lagna Rashi or the sign occupied by the moon in the birth…

Read more: http://www.prophet666.com/2009/11/mantr ... signs.html




A few you tube links..

Navgraha Chalisa From Chalisha Sangrah - Navagraha Shakti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YASPkWMwp2A

Navagraha Stotram...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8ZhbLWLiWI

cmlover

27 Aug 2012 21:29

Fascinatng!

PUNARVASU

 27 Aug 2012 23:19
vs_manjunath wrote:vkailasam- I want to write the following two krthis

a) sakala graha bala nIne sarasijaaksha -Athana-Purandara Daasa
b) grahabala mEmi ramAnugraha balamE balamu-rEvagupthi- Thyagaraja

Since Rama & krishna are part of Vishnu's Dasaavathaaras, both the above compositions convey Vishnu is supreme and if we worship Vishnu he will take care and ward off evil effects of Nine Planets so on so forth !


That is why we d not find a Navagraha Sannidhi in Vaishnava temples.

sridhar_rang

28 Aug 2012 01:25
Punarvasu, the Koodal Azhagar temple in Madurai is an exception and has a Navagraha sannidhi.

venkatakailas

28 Aug 2012 03:43

Navagraham in SriVaishnavam...

Sri Vaishnavas never consider Nava grahas as moorthies to be worshiped. They surely respect them, and there is no doubt about that. But never worship them. They worship only Srimannarayana for all their requirements and that is all (Saranagathi/prapatti). Nava Grahas serve to Lord SrimanNarayana always. And they take the dust of the Srivaishnava devotees to their head. This can be read from the sloka of Lord Venkateswara’s Suprabhabhatam :

SuryEndhu Bhouma Budha Vaakpati Kaavya souri
SvarbhAnu kEtu dvishat parishat pradhAnaa:
tvadhAsa dAsa charamAvati dhAsa dhAsA:
SrI VenkatAchalapatE ! Tava SuprabhAtam

Meaning : The main deities of the Assembly of Gods ,the (nine planets)- Sun(surya) , Moon(indhu), Mars (bhOma/Angaraka), Mercury(Budha), Jupiter(vaakpati/Brhaspati), Venus(Sukra), Saturn(Sani), Rahu and Ketu – remain (happy) to be the servants of the last grade of servants of the servants of Thy (Lord’s) servant -(They remain most obedient to Thee.) Lord of Venkatachala! May it be an auspicious dawn to Thee!

More at...
http://anudinam.org/2012/06/25/navagrah ... aishnavam/

Lord Vishnu manifests in this world through different grahas to bestow on living beings the results of their karmas or action.

Says brihat parasara hora sastra (chapter 2, 3rd verses)

अवताराण्यनेकानि ह्यजस्य परमात्मनः।

जीवानां कर्मफलदो ग्रहरूपी जनार्दनः॥

[Among 18 sages like surya,brahma,vasista,parasara,kashyapa etc, the creators of astrology, the sage parasara is only one whose voluminous work Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra is available today and recognised by all]

Each of these grahas are having one incarnation of Lord as their in-dweller. So if one worships that avathara, the particular graham santhi is done and planets associated with them is given in the Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, chapter 2, verses 5-7

रामोऽवतारः सूर्यस्य चन्द्रस्य यदुनायकः ।

नृसिंहो भूमिपुत्रस्य बुद्धः सोमसुतस्य च॥

वामनो विबुधेज्यस्य भार्गवो भर्गवस्य च ।

कूर्मो भास्करपुत्रस्य सैंहिकेयस्य सूकरः ॥

केतोर्मीनावतारश्च ये चान्ये तेऽपि खेटजाः ।

परात्मांशोऽधिको येषु ते सर्वे खेचराभिधाः ॥

Here are the details:

Surya – Rama Incarnation , so you can worship in any Rama temple for that santhi. NAMO BHAGAVATE RAMACHANDRAYA
chandra – Krishna is indweller, so you can offer your pujas to Krishna in any temple. NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA
Kuja – Nrusimha incarnation, you can offer your prayers there. NAMO BHAGAVATE NARASIMHAYA
budha – budha also signifies Vishnu, it is recommended to worship Lord Vishnu directly.(some quote as kalki and suggest Lord Venkateswara as Kalow Venkatanayakaha). NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA
Bruhaspathi – Sri Vamana incarnation, you can choose a Vamana’s temple. NAMO BHAGAVATE TRIVIKRAMAYA
Sukra – Parasurama incarnation is indweller. It is not recommended by the parampara to use the name/worship ‘Parashurama’ directly. So you can worship goddess Lakshmi and can chant NAMO BHAGAVATE HRISHIKESHAYA
Sani – Kurma Incarnation. You have only one temple in Andhra Pradesh in Srikakulam Dist., Srikurmam is the place. NAMO BHAGAVATE AKUPARAYA
Rahu – Varaha incarnation, You can have the pujas there with Him. NAMO BHAGAVATE SHRIVARAHAYA
Kethu – Mathsya incarnation. You can worship Him for that santhi. NAMO BHAGAVATE MAHAMATSYAYA

More and more at the above link.....

venkatakailasam

 28 Aug 2012 21:40
# 25

cml...'fascinating'.....

Yes...these are fascinating...

That there is an essential harmony between Vedic wisdom and western science is brought out at the following links…

simply astonishing.....

Software Tonoscope..
http://softwaretonoscope.com/

Relationship between OMkara - Srichakra – Devi and HANS JENNY
http://shivyogi.weebly.com/srichakra.html

More about The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations.
See this link…
http://9waysmysteryschool.tripod.com/sa ... /id12.html

Recent Archeological Finds Confirming Vedic History
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/recent_arc ... istory.htm


Sacred Geometry Mandala Art
Interdimensional Gateways to the Infinite

http://www.isibrno.cz/~gott/mandalas.htm

These above links are not " Just Informative' but which every Indian should know and feel proud about the national heritage and

about the greatness of Vedas and their history

of which flowed the Music and Astrology.....

cmlover

 28 Aug 2012 23:20
Dear Vkailasam:
Let us keep in mind that some of these are "pseudo-science"!
That Tonoscope picture of "OM" appears 'doctored' due to the appearance of sharp edges!
There was a discussion about it a few years ago in Ananda Vikatan (?)...

venkatakailasam

 29 Aug 2012 08:13
"pseudo-science"!......

Well…pseudo science..That how people call anything of Indian…

Tonoscope…..invented by a Swiss…it is science…

His Wave Phenomena and The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations is science….

When the membrane is set into vibrations by singing rather loudly through a cardboard pipe when the sand produces complex symmetrical forms, known as Chladni patterns…..it is called science..

When the same principles are applied to establish relationship of OM and Sri Chakra, It becomes pseudo or fake…..

Swami Vivekananda:
“let me draw your attention to one thing which unfortunately we always forget: that is — "O man, have faith in yourself." “mark you this — the most marvelous historical fact — that all the nations of the world have to sit down patiently at the feet of India to learn the eternal truths embodied in her literature’

more on this...

venkatakailasam

 30 Aug 2012 21:38
We know that the origin of both music and astrology is Vedas…..

But, music is recognized as a science due to its being….”an intuitive natural phenomenon operating within the parameters ……of Time, Pitch, Energy, and under the 3 distinct and interrelated organization structures of Rhythm, Harmony, and Melody”……….

More and more people take up music both for listening and performing and it reaches the masses due to its attributes mentioned above….

But it is not the case with Astrology…

Astrology is considered as a science of waves and vibration produced by planets on living beings…

“The energy of the Cosmos in relation to the individual is described in terms of either light, colour, sound, music or just vibes. All of these manifestations have a common thread…….. Using wave theory.”

Astrology chart is a reading of the cosmic energy at the time of birth of an individual, displaying the inter-relationship between cosmic influences at that time, providing a chart of the native relative to the cosmic energy…

The mathematical calculations involved are many- enough to deter people for looking up to astrology…as also various rules and combinations set forth by the great rishes in their works on Astrology to evolve an accurate assessment and prediction……

In this computer age, it is easier to prepare a chart…but prediction part of it may still require individual talent to read the rules, to understand it and to interpret it…

This is where Astrologers fail giving room for making a sweeping conclusion that Astrology is fake and is a pseudo-science…

May be interested to know as to how cosmos affect …and paramacharia’s view on papa and punniya…



10 Sep 2012 03:27
Scientist’s rejection of astrology is based on their not trying to be with the basics of astrology…

It seems when the astronomer Edmond Halley asked Sir Isaac Newton (essentially the “patron science of physics”) how he could possibly believe in astrology, Sir Isaac seems to have replied “Because I have studied the matter, Sir. You have not.”

It seems to be the one of the factors…..

When Shakespeare made the comment of the “stars influencing our lives”, possibly he meant it be about the planets of our solar system ….

“A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space”… (Albert Einstein, 1954)

“All things are parts of one single system, which is called Nature; the individual life is good when it is in harmony with Nature.”
(Zeno)

Once a foreigner wanted to know from Paramachariar……regarding one particular faith (i.e.) same soul taking various births, papa, punya being carried forward to the next births etc.. Periava wanted to him to go around 10 maternity centres within Kancheepuram and collect the data of children born within the last 2 days - Child's gender, health condition, parents name, status, educational qualification, time of birth.

When the details were brought to him, periva said..
All these children should be living exactly identical to each other, but not so practically, some are ill, some are healthy, some are born to rich parents, some are born to poor parents. Remember all children born in the same day, same longitude, latitude, you can't blame their horoscope which is going to be almost identical…
So, they have neither earned papa or punya in this birth….All these children have taken their present birth according to their deeds (karma) and the resultant papa, punya which they have assimilated in their previous births. ..
( Detaied version of this episode is posed in another thread regarding Paramachariar.)


One of the most important significance of 5th house in a horoscope is that it provides a clue to the good deeds (or bad deeds) relating to previous births…
This papa or puniya gets a clue from the 5th house…of a horoscope….

This is one of the important houses of a musician….

10 Sep 2012 21:24 
I am saying about the 5th house from lagna which is cast based on the time of birth..

5th house is called Purva puniya Stan...Its significances are ...

This house indicates the good deeds during earlier births,
Children, speculation, intellectual status and luck are gauged from this house. Pleasure, love affairs, lady love, legal or illegal amusements, kidnap, rape, etc. are also checked. Belly, heart, liver, spleen are the body parts covered by this house.

Punya or papa depends on the owner of the fifth house, his placement in the horoscope, the planets who occupies this house,
the aspects which this house gets from planets as also certain positions in the navamsa and the like...

Time permitting you are welcome to my blog at....

http://e-swari.blogspot.in/2011/03/astrology.html

vedic astrology about which I am dealing is different from western one..



11 Oct 2012 06:33
AMAZING INFORMATION...Do read this with patience....
Was Lord Ram really born? .....Yes.......... read on............That there is also planetary evidence is amazing.
The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomica
l references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known....

Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this software from the US.. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile...

Read more on this..at...

http://www.sreenivasulu.in/2012/05/rama ... /#more-332


12 Oct 2012 20:10
Rich Musical Heritage Of The Sama Veda....

another view point....

"Sama Veda is perhaps the earliest human literature on music. ..."

read more at...

http://timesofindia.speakingtree.in/spi ... sama-veda#




11 Nov 2012 14:31

Planetary-Influences-on-Human-Affairs-By-BV-Raman(Bangalore Venkatraman..the famous Astrologer…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4802627/Plane ... y-BV-Raman



“Astrology reveals correspondences between the afflictions of Mars in aman's horoscope and his bodily illness or an affliction of Saturn in the 12th house isaccompanied by deafness or ear troubles. Similarly eye diseases appear in a man simultaneouslywith afflictions in certain stars in his horoscope — Jyeshta or Antares.Sometimes doubters in astrology go further and ask how such correspondences
can betrue.
The sense that such correspondences or effects of distant planetary bodies on human livesare impossible and contrary, to nature, or accepted view of nature, and of the cosmos, rests onunconsciously accepted assumptions about their nature and about the relations between them.But this assumption is arbitrary. There is no reason why the real inwardness of the heavenly bodies — planets and stars — and their mutual relations and their impact on human life anddestiny should resemble the things and relations of ordinary experience — stocks and stones.The ancients must have discovered the effects of planets on man by two methods,
viz.,
intuitionand observation. The first according to the sages is definitely more trustworthy. Intuition,introspection or
divyadrishti
is an individual experience or perception or a faculty which theancient Maharshis had acquired due to their austere and moral lives and by the practice of yoga.Bertrand Russel considers that "introspection is valid as a source of data, and is to a considerableextent amenable to scientific controls". Intuition transcends intellect. According to Jung,"intuition is a kind of instinctive appreciation irrespective of the nature of its contents. Throughintuition any one content is presented as a complete whole. Intuitive cognition possesses anintrinsic nature of certainty and conviction which enabled Spinoza to uphold the
Scientia Intuitiva
as the highest form of cognition." Patanjali suggests in his famous
Yoga Sutras
that theYogi, after reaching a certain plane of spiritual attainment, can establish direct communion withthe different planetary bodies and perceive their mysteries without the aid of mechanicalcontrivances.Observation must have played its part equally well. The sages must have noted theindividual and collective events in the light of recurrence of certain planetary configurations, the psychological reactions of different types of people to certain planetary combinations. Hundredsof years of such observations must have convinced the sages that the birth in certain signs of thezodiac would confer certain definite psychological and physical traits. The planets, the signs andthe zodiac became merely a symbol rendering possible the application of the laws of periodicityto individual and national lives.The truth of astrology has also been established by statistical methods. As BertrandRussel says, "Statistics ideally are accurate laws about large groups; they differ from other lawsonly in being about groups, not about individuals." Statistically it can be shown that several

astrological combinations are corroborated. It will be seen that some of the greatest thinkers andintellectuals of all ages have endorsed the truth of astrology, and have consulted their horoscopes. The bard of Avon puts the following words into the mouth of King Lear: — "It is the stars, the stars above us govern our condition."Even more striking is his flair for astrologic humor. He makes a disgruntled player tocomplain:"It is impossible that anything should be as I would have it; for I was born, Sir, when theCrab was ascending; and all my affairs go backwards."Dante's astrology is written in majestic measure. We follow him into the vastness of space:"
... I saw The sign that follows Taurus, and was in it.Oh glorious stars ! Oh light impregnated With mighty virtues, from which I acknowledge All of my genius whatsoe'er it be,With you was born, and hid himself with you He who is father of all mortal life,When first I tasted of the Tuscan air; And then when grace was freely given to meTo enter the high wheel which turns you round Your region was allotted unto me.
"
22

23
"For Dante astrology was the noblest of the sciences," writes H. Flanders Dunbar. "For Dante," she continues, "the principle of individualization is the influence of planets and stars, or,more accurately, of the intelligences by which they are moved. The ego, created directly by God,in its connection with the body comes under stellar influence, and at birth is stamped like wax bya seal. All impressions from the stars are good, since there is no lovableness that does not reflectthe lovableness of God. It is the harmonizing and proportioning of these good qualities in their true relationships that make this or that person more or less perfect. It is likely that the modernreader, with his over-simple conception astrology, will lose much of the meaning of Dante......Astrology was both more complicated and more scientific in the method than the familiar birth-month pamphlets suggest."Goethe commits himself in no uncertain terms to both the theory and practice of astrology. He begins his autobiography thus: "On the 28th of August 1749, at midday, as theclock struck twelve, I came into the world, at Frankfort-on-the-Maine. The aspect of the starswas propitious; the Sun stood in the sign of the Virgin, and had culminated for the day; Jupiter
and Venus looked on with a friendly eye, and Mercury not adversely; the attitude of Saturn andMars was neutral; the Moon alone, just full, exerted all the more as her power of opposition had just reached her planetary hour. She, therefore, resisted my birth which could not beaccomplished until this hour was passed. These auspicious aspects which the astrologers subsequently interpreted very favorably for me may have been the causes of my preservation”…

with the above quote...

Read more on
Do planets influence man? At chapter 4 at page 28

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4802627/Plane ... y-BV-Raman


vinsim

20 Nov 2012 11:12
Mr. Venkatakailasam,

I could go as far as chapter 4, "Planets and Man" in BV Raman's book before I decided to give up. The book on the whole is an exercise in circumlocution and is riddled with many ludicruous statements, such as :

Prof. Lakhovsky has shown that cosmic radiations pouring on theearth from outer space and coming from various stars and planets "act on the chromosomes of the cell nuclei which are cosmo-electrical resonators, absorb and take up these cosmic radiations,which are transformed into vital electricity and that mysterious force we call life. And in asimilar manner he thinks that brain cells through antennae-like projections absorb stellar and planetary radiations just as radio antennae absorb radio waves."

Without Sun's heat and light nothing could exist in the world even for a single second.

The solar and planetary rays — radio-like waves — affect biological and psychological processes.


After sometime, the author couldn't make up his mind on which force, electromagnetic or gravitational, is affecting man...

From a gravitational and tidal point of view, the forces of attraction existing between theearth and a few planets are as follows: — Moon... 20,185,000,000,000,000 tonsJupiter... 138,900,000,000,000 tonsVenus... 138,250,000,000,000 tons

While it is true that Jupiter might exert huge gravitational force on earth, we have to note that the 2 bodies are very massive. The gravitational force on an 8 pound baby or even a 100 kg man, from whatever planets, is very very tiny.

So, it looks like we can't explain astrology through modern scientific reasoning in 4 dimensional space-time. We may have to invent an "astral" plane, whatever that might be!

Perhaps it will be interesting, hopefully not controversial, to take a poll through this forum to see how many people believe astrology is actual science.




 venkatakailasam



20 Nov 2012 12:17
The intention is not to find out as to how many people believe in Astrology.....The thread was to know the commonality between Astrology and Music

and it has touched a larger spectrum .....

you could have done well if you can complete chapter 4 also...

I am Quoting....."When the astronomer Edmond Halley asked Sir Isaac Newton (essentially the “patron science of physics”) how he could possibly believe in astrology, Sir Isaac answered, “Because I have studied the matter, Sir. You have not.” And therein lies the crux of the matter.







 to be contiued....

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Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja:Part I-Part II contiued

 Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja:


Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 31 May 2012 07:51  posted at rasikas.org

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Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja:


THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN another forum…A couple of years back..(Songs added now…)


Thyagaraja: Evaru ochinanru –Chudu

Disciple: Rasika……nuchi Ochnaru

Thyagaraja: Randi Randi

Vkailasam: Vanakam Ayaha.

The rest of the interview,I choose to transalate in
English.

Vkailasam: Sir Can you tell a few words about you.

Thyagaraja: Laughing-My forefathers migrated long time back-during

16th century

from Andhra and settled down in Tanjore District.
We belong to Telugu smartha Brahmin sect. My maternal grandfather was Giriraja kavi.
I was born in his house. My grandfather was a poet in the court

of the king of Tanjavur. My father was kakarla Ramabrhmam.
My mother was Seethamma.
I am the third son to my parents.
My father was patronized by the king and he was attending to spiritual activities in the court .
I am named after local deity Thagyaraja.

Vkailasam : Sir, I was wondering ….

Thyagaraja: Yes,Yes.I Know what you are going to ask….. Why compositions are in

telegu… is it not ..Laughing….

As we are basically Telugu people, this came to me naturally. As the

flow was free, perhaps the thought that I should change, never occurred

to me….nothing else.

Vkailasam: Is Namo Namo Ragavaiah your first piece?

Thyagaraja: Yes, it is in Raga Desika Todi.

Vkailasam: Were you merely 8 years at that time?

Thyagaraja: Mu…. Mu …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqamWYjuzbA

Vkailasam: About your guru sir..

Thyagaraja: I commenced training at an early age with sonti venkataramiah.

vkailasam: We learn that he was very impressed with you and invited you to perform in his house, were you to obey the Guru ….you Sang “Entharo Mahanubhavu”.

Thyagaraja: Yes ….Yes …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7u7VBhMwZA


vkailasam: Sir, Who initiated you to Rama Mantra?

Thyagaraja: It was my father Ramabrahmam who bought me to worship Rama . I was chanting continuously almost nonstop. I had a momentary drashan of Shri Rama. I was ecstatic.

vkailasam : Is it at that time you sang Balakanakamaya?

Thyagaraja: Absorbed in his thoughts…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kEYuNig8jI

Vkailasam: Sir…

Thyagaraja: Yes…

vkailasam : We learnt that sage Naradha has provided you the secret and

Mystery of musical notes. Is it you had the blessings of both Lord Rama and Sage Naradha?

Thyagaraja: No reply..

vkailasam : Sir, we are told that you have turned down the gifts and the request

of the King to sing in his presence as you felt anguished

and sang the song Nidi sala sugama.

Thyagaraja: Yes… Which is better—money and fame or being in the presence of the Lord Rama?
vkailasam: But that resulted in the loss of His Idol?

Thyagaraja: But the ecstasy which I got on recovery of the same!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=valdgkBupXI

After this incidence, I visited various temples. I recall I sang the five songs

Kovur Pamcharatnas in praise of Lord Sunderewara.

vkailasam Yes sir we heard that Kovur Sunderesa mudaliar who has

hosted you hinted that he would like songs in his praise.

Thyagaraja: No reply……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW3Qqzgo1dU


vkailasam : Sir, for you Bakthi and Music are same you used your compositions to

activate Nadhopasana to attain Moksha.

Thyagaraja: yes yea I have brought out these in my songs Shobillu

Swararagasudha, Nadathanumanisham and also Nadopasana.
sobhillu saptaswara … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soVVnPi2KrM
swararaga sudha…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua1aZRHL1P0
Nada Thanumanisham …. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lO4t_JAKNY
Nadopasana……… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oFQpGgOp8Y
vkailasam: Yes Sir. They provide insight into worship of Swaras.

Sribapriya also provides insight of mind seeking Swaras in

Blissful forms.

Thyagaraja: I have expounded Nada yoga in MokshamuGalada and

also in Ragasudharas…
MokshamuGalada … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsKLnL7gWjI
vkailasam: Yes sir…in Manusunilpa you have indicated that in spite of

all and any qualification that one may have, unless one gives up

kama and moha, there is no use in doing pooja or thapas.
Manusunilpa….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXHEjbTjS_4
Thyagaraja: Yes.. I stressed the same in Manasu swadeenamaina.

vkailasam: Sir, Is it in the song Eavarani nirnayan chedira you have explained

Rama manthira have been derived from Narayana and Siva Manthirams

taking two letters RA and MA from them respectively.

Thyagaraja: Yes Those who know this truth are worthy of respect

and one can prostrate before them.

vkailasam: Sir, there are no songs to invoke blessings of Nava grahas in your

compositions. We are told both you and Purandaradasa

did not attach any importance to astrology as both of you have felt

that it is the Lord who is the force behind the forces of planets.

Thyagaraja: Laughs… my song Grahabalamemi can provide answer.

I hope this is enough for the day…

vkailasam : Sir if you do not mind…one last question… You are also philosophical

you follow Dwaitham or Adwaitham school?

Thyagaraja: You can refer to my song Dwaitha sugama..

http://www.raaga.com/play/?id=71051

vkailasam : Sir ,Dwitha says Jeevatma is different from Paramatma.

Adwaitham says both are same. You call upon the lord to clarify….

When you ask the Lord who is the same as Paramathma, can we

take you are considering them separate?

Thyagaraja: Thank you…We meet again – he moves away


 Some of the messages received from friends:

Here are some comments from well wishers on the above Interview:

1) My first reaction is, it is excellent and thought provoking. I think I will read this a few more times and try to find some more answers. Our forum will sure come up with more interesting explanations on the points you have raised.

With best regards.

Muralidaran
2)
Excellent piece of interview, which has thrown light on some of the songs,
why it was composed and sung. The coherence in the Q&A session brings out
the talent of the writer's creativity which adds flavour to the whole
conversation. Apart from the interview part ,it highlights the intellectual
thoughts of saint thyagarajar also.

The self intro has given a pen picture of the saint.
Good work , what a feast on UGADI Telugu New years day today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you very much
mathangi
3)
Sir:
An excellent attempt and hearfelt congratlations.
Why did not any one think of it earlier ?
In contnuation ,when you are talking next to the Saint, you could please ask him if
got any reply from the Lord to the question posed in his Ritigowla
compostion "Dvaitamu Sukhma, Advaaitamu Sukhuma" ?


Warm Regards.


Sincerely

R.Natrajan

4) A very good try - I must say. Who next?

H. Murthy


5) From: Sethuraman Subramanian 
To: rasikapriya- dot-net@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:28:24 AM
Subject: Re: [rasikapriya- dot-net] Interviewing Saint Thyagaraja

Nice attempt, VKV! Pl do the other two--SS and MD. Take your time.
I read somewhere that T's maternal grandfather' s (Sitamma's father) name was KALahasti Iyer who was a vINA vidwan in Thanjavur court. Was he also known by the name Girija Kavi?


6) Sir, your article was not only hilarious but thought provoking also. may Sri Rama bless you all. V.Narayanaswamy Fullerton CA
7) Dear Sri Venkat,

This was really awesome to read and I want to preserve it for my
children and friends to read and enjoy. I have taken the liberty of
"editing" it, and the edited content is below. Please forgive my
boldness, and I will appreciate if you can privately suggest any
corrections


8) Dear kailasamvenkat,
Thank you. These kind of topics are really interesting. You said it
very nicely. This symbolizes how much bhakthi Thyagaraja had in his mind
about Lord Rama and he tried to express in a variety of ways through his
several compositions. He succeeded to convey lots of good messages to
mankind.
Expecting more from you and other members.


9) Finally - a "thank you" for filling my inbox with really inspired postings. I cannot skim through *your* emails, as I do through many others.

Yours sincerely,
Bhaskar....




Part II....


thanjavooran

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 31 May 2012 09:34
Venkatakailasam Avl,
excellent! Besides dialogue [in the interview] enjoyed the renderings too.
Thanx.
Thanjavooran 31 05 20012
 

#3 - mohan

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 31 May 2012 09:49
Nicely done. Gives a good glimpse into the great composer's life and compositions!
 

#4 - cmlover

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 31 May 2012 20:16
Very well (realistically) done Vkailasam!
Do some more with other (late) vaggeyakaras and musicians...
With the nice song clips it feels like being there...

You may add this superb SSI rendering Dwaitamu (perhaps embellished with with pictures/videos)
to your interview
http://www.hummaa.com/music/song/dwaita ... ma/102006#
 

#5 - tkb

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 01 Jun 2012 09:35
simply Superb!
 

#6 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 01 Jun 2012 12:21
Thank you Sirs.. for your encouragement.....
 

#7 - suma

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 03 Jun 2012 00:54
very nice :clap:
 

#8 - narayanan88

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 03 Jun 2012 18:42
Very innovative idea- how i wish he comes and listens to some contemporary concerts and gives his reviews!!!
 

#9 - rahm221

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 04 Jun 2012 04:29
Great imagination. Well done.
 

#10 - Sam Swaminathan

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 04 Jun 2012 07:27
I am eagerly looking forward to the next segment of the interview and to the point in time when Sri Dikshithar meets with Sri Thiagaraja...should be spectacular!
 

#11 - jeevanraju

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 04 Jun 2012 07:46
One more question Thyagaraja sir
Thyagaraja: Yes, make it quick
Me; Why is that in all your compositions, you have mentioned your name as a "mudra"? In modern world, we call it megalomania. If all you cared for was bhakti and devition, why did you care for your name being attached to every song. By the way there are other megalomaniac composers as well.
Thyagaraja: No comment and get out.

Raju
 

#12 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 04 Jun 2012 07:51
Shri Jeevanraju..

Thyagaraja is the deity's name at Thiruvaiyaru of which he is named after and the same deity's name he is using as mudra..

TyAgarAja has no compositions on the deity-thyagaraja but refers to the Lord TyAgesa with this epithet in several of his compositions while using the mudra as in the krti “bhaktuni cAritramu vinavE” in begada. In this krit he refers to Rama as “rAjashikhAmaNi yaina tyAgarAja sakhuni marava rAdane hari(bhaktuni cAritramu vinave) ” ie “the friend of TyAgarAja the crest jewel of Kings”.

There are many more such songs...
 

#13 - kvchellappa

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 04 Jun 2012 09:46
To have a mudra and one's name added in a composition is not megalomania. Great composers have done it. Even MDR has done it. No one can imagine of him being a megalomaniac. One need not be apologetic about adding mudra. It is in bad taste to imagine even that Thyagaraja would say 'get out'. Bhakti gives true humility, we have seen people like MS.
 

#14 - shankarabharanam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 05 Jun 2012 07:16
Superb vkailasam ji.. Looking forward to the next round interviews :)
 

#15 - vasanthakokilam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 05 Jun 2012 10:10
>Thyagaraja: No comment and get out.

Thyagaraja: In modern world, you call it "By line". And everyone of your posts here have your name and you sign your posts too. Too bad I did not build in a number in my compositions so you people do not argue about my 'composition count'. ;)
 

#16 - Pratyaksham Bala

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 05 Jun 2012 10:26
Thyagaraja: Luckily I added my name! Otherwise I would be facing the same music as Oottukkadu Venkata Kavi!
 

#17 - nadhasudha

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 07 Jun 2012 22:47
Thyagaraja: The compositions that came to me were spontaneous and was a dialogue between me and Lord Sri Rama. So my name must have crept in that way. I did not imagine then that it would be interpreted this way.
 

#18 - cmlover

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 07 Jun 2012 23:04
Are there any kritis without the name stamp?
 

#19 - arasi

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 08 Jun 2012 02:29
VKailasam,
Just read this thread. Liked it very much. Even in your Mangalathaik kELungaL which is in a lighter vein, you weave in very good musical clips and all I can ask is: what makes you so very industrious? ;) Wish I were as busy as the bee that you are--taking great pleasure in gathering and sharing your musical finds!
Mangalam would have said: tyAgarAja swamiyai kaRpanaiyilE interview seidirukkiRArE Kailasam? paDichELO? Innum avar ezhuduvadai ellAm paDiyungO! Mmm, en pERle kUDa EdO ezhudugiRadAgak kELvip paTTEn, padikkalAm illaiyA? Rasikas.org--ukkup pOip pArungo ;)
 

#20 - Ponbhairavi

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 08 Jun 2012 12:50
signing one's name at the end shows a conscious effort of composition and claim of authorship and a little pride . Nothing wrong about it .several centuries earlier Jayadevar has affixed his MUdra in each ashtapadhi.In those days there were no copyrights laws as compared today when everybody wants to protect his right for his bani or style or particular pidi or briga or characteristic voice modulation.May be Thyagaraja wanted to establish his personal style of worship( ref his personal utsava sampradaya dolotsava paddathi-- as distinct from the bajanai dolotsava paddathi ). and he had his own set of disciples to propagate the system.
But spontaneous outpouring in a state of ecstasy without any consideration of disciple or audience or linguistic puritanism(ie not caring whether this word is tamil sanscrit or telegu or grammatically correct ) or claim of authorship, is more self effacing and superior ( ref. Oothukadu )
Both are soaked in bhakthi. the first one is bhakthi in conscious practice second one is bhakthi in an unconsious transe.
The inevitable consequence is that the second one lends itself to be mixed up with spurious additions and this has happened to our puranas and religious scriptures even besides literary works.
 

#21 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 17 Jun 2012 10:34
I was waiting for some one to post about 'Raga mudra' while talking elaborately about (name ) mudras in compositions..
Raga mudra is about incorporating the name of the ragas itself in the compositions..It is peculiar to Dikshadar's compositions..
To quote fro Shri Dinesh" Dikshitar was a master in weaving the name of the raga into the body of his compositions. Dikshitar signed his compositions with the aid of 'Raga Mudra'. In fact many rare raga-s like Gauri, Chaya Gaulai, Narayana Desakshi etc are recognized ragas because they have a Dikshitar kriti and he has explicitly mentioned the raga name in them." leave alone the composiions with ragas such as bridavana saranga, Dwajanthi, Santhana gopalam upasmahe lalitha and the like.
A very interesting trivia however is while Dikshitar has incorporated in the 'sahitya' the name of almost all the raga-s that he used for his compositions but no kriti is available with the Thodi raga mudra. Perhaps the word itself was unsuitable to be used.

Apart from this I have come across an Album Raga Mudra composed by by Dr Brazil Subramaniyam rendered by By Smt Soumya....

In several ragas dikshadar introduces the name of the ruling deity of the kshatras also., the Devi Bhawani in Sattur has been praised as the goddess who provides rain and very aptly Dikshitar chose the raga Amritavarshini and describes the goddess as "Anandamritakarshini Amritavarshini ". Another example can be cited in the Rasamanjari (modern Rasikapriya) kriti where he describes the devi Kamakshi in Kanchi as Sringara Rasamanjari.

In some places, he hides the raga name in the composition and is not mentioning them directly..
One song that comes to mind is the example of Arabhi which Dikshitar brings to fore as Sams ara bhi tyapahe –meaning Sri Saraswati. Ananda Bhairavi which he brings forth as Ram ananda Bhairavam-Manasa guruguha roopam bhajare.
His kshatra krities shows not only the name of the place but such details as the vimhana of the temple, the name of the pushkarani, the moola manthra of the deity which are all interwoven in the sahitya itself..
He provides meaning of the Raga in some cases using Raga Mudra also. In his very first kriti Sri Nathadi he introduces the Raga mudra as " Maya Malava Gowla di Desha". Saurashtram in Varalakshmi Bhajare where he describes Lakshmi as " Saurashtra deshapatinuta dhaninim".
In a few kriti-s Dikshitar has referred to many hidden legends of ancient India by using the Raga mudra. For example, it is well known that in Chidambaram, Lord Siva defeated a very aggressive form of Parvati (Kali) and banished her outside the town as Thillai Kali This he has referred to in his kriti Sivakameshwarim Chintayeham as " Shanta Kalyana Gunashalinim" and through this he has introduced the Raga mudra Shanta Kalyani, which was the complete name of Kalyani now known as Mecha Kalyani. In another kriti Sri Venugopala, he has aptly chosen the raga Kurinji and referred to the story of a tussle between Rukmini and Satyabhama over the Kurinji flower. Krishna then decided to satisfy them both by having the tree in Satyabhama's garden but the tree was such that the flowers fell in Rukmini's garden. This legend is referred to by Dikshitar when he says "Sri Kuranji ta kama, shrita satyabhama".


It is easy to skip the thread but it is not going to help to provide and share the knowledge acquired to posterity..

#22 - arasi

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 17 Jun 2012 21:15
VKailasam,
So much to learn about here!

thODi is a difficult name of a rAgA to weave into sAhityam perhaps, but the two instances where I've heard them are: the pallavi line SankarAbharaNanai azhaithODi vA kalyANi, darbArukku, and one in that mega rAgamAlikA of HMB: unnai ninaindu, starting with sankarAbharaNam. Each rAgam is woven into the sAhityA. 'azhaithODi vA enRAL' is how thODi comes in.
Sanjay Subrahmanyan sang it at the Margazhi Maha Utsavam and it can be heard on youtube.

A song in nItimathi has the words: nI thImai thanai vilakki agam thulakkuvAi--an example for a hint of the rAgam with different words and meaning...

As for kuRinji: The tree in satyabhAmA's garden is pavaLa malli in the popular version. A once in a blue moon flowering kuRinji (every fourteen years?) sounds more like a rare flower to be coveted, but, I don't think it's as fragrant as the pavaLa malli.
 

#23 - cmlover

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 18 Jun 2012 03:56
Wasn't it pArijAtam as dramatized in dance during the recent cleveland festival?
 

#24 - arasi

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 18 Jun 2012 06:17
Yes, it was pavaLa malli--pArijAtham!

I have seen kuRinji in flower once. If you remember, pavaLamalli flowers, once they bloom, do not stay on the little tree.They fall as a fragrant mat of blooms around it! The easiest flower to string, its coral stems sturdy but the white petals so delicate that they bruise easily.
So, you stringed them with care, the fragrance enveloping you--what an offering of sraddhA to the gods!
 

#25 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 18 Jun 2012 07:48
arasi..what you say seems to be logical..In that case 'sri-ku-ranjita kama Srita' may mean 'You are the conquerer of desires'

and Satya bhama is dearer to you..So the reference to the story of the fight between Rukmani and Satya Bhama here becomes irrelevant..
I have a recording of this song..sri venu gopala sri rukmini lola..by both MLV and MDR which I will try to post .. ....


arasi

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 18 Jun 2012 08:34
RukmiNi SatyabhAmA samEthamAnavan avan--Aga, iruvarumE samamthAn!
Thanks for the kuRinji songs in advance.
 

#27 - kittappa

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 21 Jun 2012 12:48
Sri Venkatakailasam, srI ku ranjita kAmA: srI is Mahalakshmi who took avatAra as Rukmini and ku means Bhooma Devi who took avatAra as Sathyabhama. The line srIkuranjita kAmA means the kAma or lover who delights both Mahalakshmi and Bhooma Devi.

Also, the song sringAra rasamanjarIm was composed at Thanjavur Bangaru Kamakshi temple. This is the 72nd mELAkarta, rasamanjari. The 1st mELakarta is kanakAmbarI in which he composed 'kanakAmbari kAruNyAmrita lahari' was also composed at Bangaru Kamakshi temple. kanakAmabri means one who is dressed in gold. It describes Bangaru Kamakshi aptly. Bangaru in Telugu means gold.
 

#28 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 21 Jun 2012 19:26
Shri. kittappa ..,,nice..you have good vidvat in Sanskrit . I have learned it only during my schooling..
The meaning sri ku ranjita kama brought out is the one I am able to get only now..Thanks for the enlightenment..
 

#29 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 22 Jun 2012 21:57
srI-vENugopAlA- Raga kurunji

composed by Dikshadar..
Rendered by Dr. ML Vasantha kumari..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyUmHhRmPok
 

#30 - cmlover

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 23 Jun 2012 19:40
Where is MDR?
 

#31 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 07 Jul 2012 08:12
Sangeetham and bhakthi are two sides of the same coin..These have to be acquired and practiced with humility which brings with it a mind to suppress and win over the baser instincts and elimination of the Ego to enjoy the niceities which it offeres…..
Mere scholarship without humility and music without devotion is according to Thyagaraja , akin to decorating a corpse.
In the Sankarabharana kriti, "bhakthi bhiksha meeyavayya," he says that even if a song is rendered well.. if it is rendered without devotion will be like decorating a dead man with diomend ornaments….
You can have Shri KVN rendering this song….
http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/b ... arabharana

Those who have bloated ego have smaller mind wheras the broad minded person will have a mind of utmost humility…


Everybody knows about world reknowned Chitra vinna N Ravi Kiran…and knows about his busy schedule day in day out and the amount of travels he under takes all over the world…and his performances all most daily…the research work which he has undertaken is enormous…
A person so busy in life had send me a mail sometime back..Just to show the bigness of his heart and mind..I reproduce the same below….and not for self advertisement..

Your wonderful sites and uploads
Chitravina N Ravikiran ravikiranmusic@yahoo.com

to me
Dear Mr Venkata Kailasam,

I saw with interest several of your uploads in YouTube as well as your blog/sites. It is indeed very commendable work that you have been carrying out to bring in new audiences to Carnatic music.

I will be happy to add to some of your content, esp. from non-commercial recordings of Venkata Kavi's compositions that I may possess that maybe otherwise scarce to obtain.

I just had a couple of requests:

It may be a good idea to call him Oottukkadu Venkata Kavi - since it will be easier for people to identify him with that kind of image.

On a personal note, my name is one word and it is now consistently being printed more like Chitravina N Ravikiran (since a few other Ravikirans have also emerged in the field in recent times).

If you need any clarification on any song/composer that I have played on your uploads, please feel free to email me...

With sincere regards,

Chitravina N Ravikiran

Welcome to my Website
and Blog
Such is the humility people exhibit..even after reaching Himalayan heights…..That is the Bakthi which you show to your love of music..

Share and enjoy.....without reservations...
 

#32 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 08 Jul 2012 07:10
Thyagaraja possibly felt that the purpose of his birth was completed when he composed the Ganavardini kriti "Daya choochutakidi vela ….It is time for me to be one with you as I have completed with devotion, the task entrusted to me" …
Radha Jayalakshmi have rendered this song…here..

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/d ... navardhini

when this was composed Thyagaraja had a vision of Sri Rama with the entourage…This is brought out in his composition “Giripainelakonna” in the beautiful raga – Sahana…..In this song he tells about the vision of Shri Rama which he had . Shri.Rama assured him that in a span of ten days he would be absorbed…
you can listen to Maharajapuram Santhanam…….

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/g ... i-santanam


It is stated that thyagaraja had taken snayasam…... O his finding the assurance by Shri Rama has not happened, on the tenth day, he sang the kriti "Parithapamu Kaniyadina" (Manohari)….
Shri OS Thyagarajan…hear here…

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/p ... rupaka-ost

It is stated that the thasildar of Thiruvayaru, has recorded that when Thyagaraja was rendering this song, an Omkara Naadha was heard and a jytoi was seen to emanate from the head of Thyagaraja and travelled upward. The saint then slumpted on the thambura he was holding, and become one with the Lord.

**audio from SP....
 

#33 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 10 Jul 2012 18:33
"Melu melu Rama nama" in the raga Sourashtram, Thyagaraja brings out the Ananada which one can experience at every level i.e. physical, emotional, intellectural and spiritual, by singing Rama nama….
Rendered by Dr.BMK and group..

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/m ... -sourastra

In the keertana "Rama Rama Krishnayanere” in the raga Goulipanthu…sri tyagaraja asks people to sing in praise of the Lord to redeem themselves……Thyagaraja lists the common weaknesses in people and adds that, to get over the consequences of these sins and to avoid committing them again and again, we need to repeat the nama of the Lord…Who involve in mis-deeds repeatedly!
• Who go in for offensive words!
• Who, even after studying all sastras, became slaves of desires!
• Who, though envious of others’ prosperity, yet, utter kind words to them!
• Who speak nice words, but are fuming inside
• Who, though proficient in speaking, but are clue-less when questioned ! ( courtesy: Shri Govidan)…

This was rendered by Trichy Sadguru Samajam..

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/r ... goulipantu

People become wise by chanting ‘Rama Nama’ for which he himself is a standing proof…
He further emphasizes this in "Bhajana Seyave", in raga Kalyani….he wants the endless debate to be discontinued…The good that can be obtained through Saptaswara and Pranava naadha and realize bliss through Rama naama bhajana…

Rendered by Madurai Shri TN Sesha Gopalan....

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/b ... ani-rupaka


audio Kind courtesy..SP....
 

#34 - cmlover

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 10 Jul 2012 21:09
Vkailasam
Nice of you to share Chtravina Ravikiran's mail to you. Unquestionably your service to CM community is remarkable.
We are proud to have you as a member here sharing unstintingly the best of CM as well as your own creative outpourings.

Do please share (in a separate thread) OVK songs with your artistic remix which are worth popularising among our Rasika community..
 

#35 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 11 Jul 2012 18:02
Thank you cml....otherwise a dry one..Your request regarding OVK' is like keeping panam kai on a sparrows head.....

Now further postings on Thyagaraja....



Reference to Ramayana have been made by Thyagaraja in his compositions…
Vadera Deivamu..Raga pantuvarali…Thyagaraja asserts that SrI RAma is the only God
and is the one who will get one salvation..
you can hear Priya Sisters..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1nr33W3bDE

His conviction that Sri Rama was the only emancipator can be seen further in his composition..
‘itara daivamula’ in the raga chaya tharangani..
Where he asks whether comfort is attainable from other Gods?
by Smt Mani Krishnaswamy

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/i ... atarangini

Thyagaraja in his kriti ‘E Paniko-Raga Asaveri- SrI TyAgarAja expresses his desire to compose glorifying Sri Rama as was done earlier by sage Valmiki and others…...
http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/e ... veri-adi-a

‘Sri rama raghu rama’ in the Raga yadukulakambhoji Thyagaraja exclaims as to how fortunate they were all to have been able to associate with Him…
Kausalya - to kiss the Lord on His gleaming cheeks! Dasaratha - to address the Lord as ‘O sri rama, come here’!, lakshmana - to undertake service of the Lord to his heart’s content! Sage visvamitra - to exult beholding the Lord following him! Ahalya - to become a beautiful woman again, relieved of her distress! The bow of Lord Siva - to touch the holy feet of the Lord – the Embodiment of Righteousness! King janaka - to behold the Lord to the satiation of his eyes by offering his daughter to the Lord as wife! Sita - to hold the hand of the Lord as her heart melted away in bliss! Sage narada - to extol the Lord as the benefactor of this tyagaraja!
Shri Neduneri Krishnamurty

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/s ... a-yadukula
 

#36 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 13 Jul 2012 06:30
Thyagaraja had a girl baby by his second wife Kamalambal…as he lost his first wife parvathi..very early..He named her Seetha lakshmi..Of the plenty of presents which he had received at the marriage of Seethlakshmi. Thyagaraja liked a painting of Kothanda Rama ..of which he composed “Nannu palimpa Nadachi vachithivo” in the raga Mohanam…
Ariyakudi rendering it here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LEpQYiD ... re=related
In this song he asks Lord Rama whether he came by walk all the way to show his grace to him as he was always thinking and visualizing His lotus face.

Once a sanyasi came to his house for biksha. He had left with Thyagaraja some granthas related to music saying that he would come back after taking bath in the river Kaveri. Thyagaraja was waiting for him the whole day, but he did not return to take them back.

That night Thyagaraja had a dream in which the Sanyasi appeared and told him

that he was Narada muni..and came in the guise of sanyasi to give those rare Granthas. They are Secret Granthas. One is “SwararNavam” and the other one is “Naratheeyam.”

In the morning Thyagaraja looked at the granthas and found them to be relating to Sangeetha Sasthram. He felt greatly indebted to sage Narada for providing them...

Thyagaraja composed songs in tribute to sage Narada. The Bairavi Raga song ‘Sri Narada muni gururaya kanti’, Thyagaraja Says that he had vision of Naradha due to his good deeds in the past..( no audio is available for this song )
The Kaanada raga song ‘Sri Narada naadha’ that he had darshan of Narada.
In the kriti Sri Narada Naadha..he says that Narada is devoid of three types of sorrow. He is adored by devas. He is intimate to Sri Krishna. He is a ever cheerful sage who is a friend of the helpless and bestows prosperity. He derives divine music from Nadam…

Here is Mumbai Jayashree..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl56mGNe-RE

When he went Srirangam during Utsavam ,he could not get Darshan and while he sang “Rajuvedala judhamurare” in the raga Thodi when the people who were carrying the Lord got stuck up and could not move…When he was brought near the Lord , he sang “Vinaraathaa naamanavi” ,in the raga Deva Ghandari and after he was shown Theeparthanai and then they could move the Deity..
Thyagaraja composed the Sriranga pancha rathnam containing five songs on Lord Ranganatha..
You can hear all the five songs here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1tYeAzBk0
 

#37 - RaviSri

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 13 Jul 2012 13:29
Sri Venkatakailasam, rAju veDala and vinarAda are descriptions of the horse vAhanam at Srirangam. But rAju veDala pertains to the horse vAhanam during daytime and vinarAda pertains to the horse vAhanam at night time, though on the same day. rAju veDala describes the Lord as wearing precious ornaments of navaratna, vinarAda describes just the horse vAhana without the Lord wearing navaratnAs, because, azhagiya maNavALan wears navaratnas only during the daytime procession not during the night time procession. So this story of the idol getting stuck and Thyagaraja singing vinarAda does not seem authentic. I have read this 'story'. I know a few Srirangamites who scoff at this story because it is totally impractical and laughable. The story can be dismissed as someone's not so fertile imagination. rAju veDAla was sung during daytime and vinarAda during night though on the same day.
 

#38 - RaviSri

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 13 Jul 2012 13:50
Of the five Srirangam songs, 'O rangasAyI' alone was composed on the periya perumAL, the shayana tirukOlam. He clearly mentions that he has come to have darshan of the muthangi sEvA (mutyAla sarula yuramunu gAna vachiti). muthangi is a cloth which has gold and diamonds and is worn by the Lord only during the vaikuNTA EkAdasi festivel in mArgazhi (December-January).

We do not know on which day the Arabhi song jUtA murArE was composed, except that it is a song on the processional deity. That is obvious from the sAhitya.

rAju veDala and vinarAda nA manavi is as I have explained above composed on the day of the horse vAhanam.

The sArangA song 'karuNa jUDavayyA is interesting as it describes the Lord giving darshan along with the 2 nAchiyArs (srI dEvi and bhU dEvi) and the 12 Alwars. On no other day does He come out with the nAchiyArs or the Alwars. But this is not a procession. Afte Nammalwar mOkSham day, on Sankaranti day, i.e., on Pongal (usually January 14th) the Lord comes to the Sankaranti manTapam which is near the tAyAR (Sri Ranganayaki) sannidhi along with the nAchiyArs and the Alwars and partakes of all the neivEdyams offered there. Thyagaraja describes this in the sArangA song.

Upanishad Brahmam sent his srImukham inviting Thyagaraja to Kanchipuram. This was in the year 1835. On the way Thygaraja visited Lalgudi and also stayed at Srirangam for a period of time. It was the vaikuNta EkAdasi festivel in December 1835-January 1836. Consulting an astrological programme I discovered that in the year 1836, Pongal fell on January 14th. So, Thyagaraja composed the Saranga song 'karuNa jUDavayyA' on 14th January 1836. At least for this one song, we now have a date.
 

#39 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 13 Jul 2012 15:29
RaviSri….
Thank you for your posting #37 and # 38…..which are quite educative…..
I do read your postings elsewhere too with interest…
Your fixing of the date of the song….in the raga Saranga 'karuNa jUDavayyA' as 14th January 1836 seems to have been arrived at logically..
But one thing is that such things do happen in the life of great composers who had darshan of the
Lord in one form or other….
In the case of MuthuSwami Dikshadar..everybody is aware of his song
Anandaamritakarshin or bringing rains to the parched lands near Ettayapuram. When the rains poured and he had to sing same kriti by changing the last line as 'stambhaya stambhaya stambhaya' in order to stop the downpour. And also the dream which his wife had and which changed her outlook…
Dikshadar was a Devi upasaka like Thyagaraja who was worshiping Sri Rama..
Again, there are example of the happenings in the life of Purandara…Jayadeva, kabhir, Arunagiri and a score of others..
What has been passed on to us from earlier generations to us cannot be, in my view, ignored as mere stories……
 

#40 - kittappa

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 13 Jul 2012 18:27
Excellent piece of research and valuable information RaviSri. Your perceptions have always been rational and believable, both in conversation and in forum posts, be it here or the now defunct sangeetham.com, and have contributed to a lot of truth coming out with regard to the Trinity. Thanks a lot. I have seen the kudirai vAhanam in Srirangam once, didn't know that Thyagaraja had composed on that.

I have heard that the srImukham sent by Upanishad Brahmendra is now in Madurai. Do you know how it got there?
 

#41 - RaviSri

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 14 Jul 2012 10:03
The srImukham was in the possession of Walajapet Venkataramana Bhagavatar (WVB). Thyagaraja must have given it to him when he visited Walajapet from Kanchipuram. WVB belonged to the Saurashtra community. Somehow in later years the srImukham and the manuscripts of WVB containing songs of Thyagaraja came to the Madurai Saurashtra Sabha. Madurai has a very strong presence of the Saurashtra community. WVB himself did not belong to Walajapet. His native place was Aiyyampettai on the banks of the Kudamurutti in Thanjavur district. This town (village) has a strong presence of weavers, all belonging to the Saurashtra community. WVB married a lady from Walajapet and settled down there. Every year WVB's Aradhana is being observed at Aiyyampettai.
 

#42 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 17 Jul 2012 15:07
Getting back to references to Ramayana in his krities which had taken a small digression,
In the song…. Elavatara-in raga mukhari,
He asks The Lord whether he was born as Sri Rama
for waging war Or for ruling over Ayodhya or for protecting those suffering or for giving a varam for Thyagaraja who had composed garland of songs in praise of the Lord?
You can have this...

Rendered by Smt. Smt. NC Vasantha kokilam..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-40sxK6us

Regarding the effects of touch of the holy feet of the Lord,
There are two incidents..one of Akalya and another of His breaking the Shiv’s Dhanus..
‘Sri Ramapadama” in raga Amirtha varshini…and ‘Nee pada pankaja”in Begada raga…

In Sri Rama padama , he says that the lotus feet which brought to life Akalya…the way side stone is worshiped by all…by Barhma, Sage sanaka, sage sanandana, Indra (vAsava), sage nArada (nAradulu) and others ..”Your grace is firmly implanted in my mind”

You can have this song by Smt Sudha Ragunathan…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJXuOs3kOk

Reg .. Nee pada pankaja”in Begada.

Thyagaraja says that he is dependent on the Lotus feet of Shri Rama cherished by Lords Vishnu, Brahma, Siva and brahmana and sages which broke the bow of Lord Siva …

And relived Aklya of her distress…

And had also kicked away the weighty and huge head of Dundubhi, in order to remove the fear caused in the mind of SugrIva who was uncomfortable with the troubles of his brother vali…

Shri OS Thyagarajan is rendering it here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0kUFBPrHjE
 

#43 - venkatakailasam

Re: Imaginary Interview with Saint Thyagaraja.... » 19 Jul 2012 14:47
One more song in this context is ‘Alakalalla” in raga Madhamavati…when he was wondering as to how Royal Sage Viswamitra would have admired the curly hairs of Sri Rama while Sri Rama had tamed the demon MArIcha and also when He had understood the signal from his eyes and broke the bow of Lord Siva…
Shri KVN has provided the song….

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/s ... ayanaswamy

After worrying at the small countenance of Sri Ram whether He will be able to break the bow,
Sita was happy and felt joy after the bow was broken…Thyagaraja pleads that he may be shown the same grace which Sri Rama shown to those assembled there that, 'this is how I protect those who seek me'. This is how Prahalada also pleads…
The song ‘Daya Seyavayya’ in raga Yadukulakhambhoji ...
Provided by Shri RK Srikantan...

http://soundcloud.com/venkatakailasam/shri-rk-srikantan



29 Jul 2012 04:43
Let us have a small deviation from “references to Ramayana..in Thyagarajar krities…

Guru..Sishya..

We all know that Thyagaraja was a disciple of Sonti Venkata Ramanaiya . As Thyagaraja was a talented sishya and had great proficiency raga lakshanas and kalpana swaras, his guru was proud of his student and he wanted to bring out his talent before music lovers.

So, He invited people who had knowledge in sampradaya sangitham …
Thyagaraja rendered his own composition “Dhorakuna iDuvaNti seva,” in Raga Bilahari
The song describes the beauty of Lord Vishnu wearing ornaments and pattu pithambaram…
HE was relaxing on Adisesha …
Devi was admiring His beauty.
Thumburu and Narada singing praising Him…
Ambarisha and others were singing bajans…
Aapsaras were dancing,..
Brahma and Indra were standing on HIS either side…
Thyagaraja was pushing the swing slowly and singing in praise of the Lord…
He Wonders whether even those Rishis and Devas have such a privilege to perform this kind of Seva to the Lord....

While all were praising Thyagaraja, His guru’s remarked whether can anyone have such a sihya…‘Dhorakuna IduvaNti sishyudu’
Thyagaraja rendered some more songs and after that his guru gave him lot of gifts that he himself had received including rare books on Musicology which belonged to Sonti Venkataramanaiya’s maternal grandfather.
Thyagaraja studied those books in earnest and learned a lot and used them when he composed songs.
“Dhorakuna iDuvaNti seva” is rendered by Dr. S Ramanathan…

http://jumbofiles.com/k5z4qfr5rabu/S-Ra ... n-DorakunA ituvanti-bilahari-Adi.mp3.html


 31 Jul 2012 19:49
On his way back from kovor ,Thyagaraja had darshan of Thiripura Sundari at Thruvotriyur…
He composed Thruvotriyur pancharatna krities in praise of the deity…in ragas Kalyani, Begada, Suddha saveri, Arabi and Saveri..praising her beauty and her benevolence towards her devotees..
Please listen to them rendered by Dr. BMK- Smt. NCV- Dr.MLV- Smt. Vijayamurthy- Mysore Doraiswamy Iyengar…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFnp75eL8U

There are different point of views as to whether Dikshadar has ever met Thyagaraja..We know that that the trinities are contemporaries and belong to same place…Is it possible for them not to have met…
While there is no controversy regarding meeting of Shyama Sastri and Thyagaraja, evidences are put forth by Shri RaviSri that Dikshadar has not met Thyagaraja…..
There are others whose views are different…..”Once Thygaraja invited Dikshidhar to his house to see him performing puja to his beloved Rama. Dikshidhar was very much impressed by the divine atmosphere at Thyagaraja’s house. Thyagaraja rendered the song on Bhairavi Raga “Koluvai unnade” in which he invites all to have darshan of Ram and Sita who are sitting on the simhasanam with all splendour.

Smt MS Subhu lakshmi-koluvai-yunnAde-Bhairavi-Adi.mp3 - 7.6 Mb

Dikshidhar also was very much inspired by the Divine atmosphere. Then he also started singing his Manirangu raga kirthana “Mamava Pattabhi Rama,” describing the beauty of Rama on his crowning ceremony.”

These are view put forth by others....
We hold no views ...


 RaviSri

01 Aug 2012 11:56

Dear Sri Venkatakailasam, I have never put forth any views saying that Thyagaraja and Dikshitar never met. All I did in my biography of Dikshitar on sangeetham.com was to give the incident as I had read/heard it. I have mentioned that 'An account is traditionally handed down of the meeting between Tyagaraja and Dikshitar. It is said that...........'

My view on this is clear: The two might have met given the fact that Dikshitar visited Tiruvaiyyaru and sang 'dharmasamvardhyani' there. Dikshitar lived for four years in Thanjavur teaching the Tanjore Quartette and interacting with Shyama Sastri. I personally feel that there is a strong possibility of the two having met though there is no real evidence.

I have given my write-up below. This was written ten years ago in 2002.

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An account is traditionally handed down of the meeting between Tyagaraja and Dikshitar. It is said that when Dikshitar was singing his madhyamAvati composition ‘dharmasamvardhani’ at the temple, a few of Tyagaraja's disciples were present there. Savouring the exquisite music, they enquired of one of Dikshitar's disciples and gathered details about the composer. They then hurried to their guru and told him of Dikshitar and his music. It was not that Tyagaraja was hearing about Dikshitar for the first time. Great mahApuruShAs are certainly aware of each other, only that they do not reveal their inner cognition. Dikshitar too must have heard of Tyagaraja from many people and most certainly from Shyama Sastri. He must also have listened to the bard's compositions. Tyagaraja asked his disciples to invite Dikshitar home. The bard's disciples returned to the temple and informed Dikshitar of Tyagaraja's invitation, which the former accepted. Tyagaraja regularly recited the Valmiki Ramayana. On that day he had come to the episode of the coronation of Sri Rama. Could there be a greater occasion for the two puruShOthamAs of music to meet than the paTTAbhiShEka day of the Purushothama Himself? Tirumanjana vIdhi is just a stone's throw from the Panchanadeeswara temple.

The bard rose to meet his younger, nevertheless equal contemporary. After mutual respects were over, Tyagaraja requested Dikshitar to stay on and witness the pUja which he performed after the Ramayana recitation. The Rama dAsA's worship on that paTTAbhiShEka day thus acquired a special sacredness. A big crowd of disciples and residents of Tiruvaiyyaru gathered to witness that momentous event. It was a surcharged atmosphere. After the pUja, dIpArAdhanA and ShODasha upachArAs, Tyagaraja bade his disciples sing. It was to be his bhairavi masterpiece koluvaiyunnADe. The whole of Tirumanjana street resonated with the song of its renowned resident. Tyagaraja slowly turned to Dikshitar and requested him to sing on 'my Rama'. The small but majestic, centuries old paTTAbhiShEka icon of Rama with Sri Sita, Bharata, Lakshmana and Shatrugna, complete with the maNTapa and worshipped by Tyagaraja's ancestors and bequeathed to him as heirloom is truly awe-inspiring. Its spiritual power is quite discernible to those who approach it with utmost reverence. What wonder then that Dikshitar sat enraptured?

Was it the mystical power of the icon or the deeply religious atmosphere that pervaded the entire place or the bard's own powerful spiritual presence? It was perhaps a combination of all the three that inspired Dikshitar to dive deep within, to tap his innermost artistic resources. The strain that came out of his very depths, out of his very being had to be special. And it was. The rare maNirangu discovered itself. Dikshitar built a grand edifice for the rAga and bestowed immortality on it. It was an extraordinary edifice, a grandly decorated manTapa (maNirangavalli alankrita maNTapE) studded with the gems of exquisite gamakAs and phrases that Dikshitar gifted to the rAga and made it fit for Tyagaraja's Rama to revel in. The misra chApu tALa that Dikshitar chose for its rhythm was the most appropriate foil. mAmava paTTAbhirAma, a classic par excellence was Dikshitars tribute to Tyagaraja's beloved Rama. The song describes the coronation of Sri Rama in exactly the same manner as Valmiki's Ramayana. The kriti was also appropriate to the occasion and the spirited, sublime music coupled with the majestic sAhitya enshrined the presence of the Lord in the hearts of those who had the great fortune of listening to it. The residents of Tiruvaiyyaru who witnessed the momentous meeting between the two high priests of art music felt elevated and the event took eternal place in their hearts. Such rare, sublime occurrings are seldom spoken of too. The Eternal Cauvery, whose privilege it was to host this great event must have felt proud at the meeting and outstanding accomplishments of Her two children, one, the Eternal Pilgrim, the other, the Eternal Minstrel.


01 Aug 2012 13:31
Dear Shri. SriRavi..
In your post #15 at viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12990,you have stated ...." As for Thyagaraja-Dikshitar meeting there is absolutely no evidence, excepting that Dikshitar wrote 'Dharmasamvardani' on the Goddess of Tiruvaiyyaru"...possibly I have misread this statement and I stand corrected in view of your posting of date here...



07 Aug 2012 19:34
In the song Ramachandra ni daya……
SrI tyAgarAja pleads with Lord to show His grace early..
Was the delay due to… the suffering undergone by Him in the forest? Or Due to the anger towards kaikEyI? Or because He has lost His power or because Sita had rebuked Him when He was not willing to take her along with Him to the forest or due to any sin or crime committed by thyagaraja..
Shri Sanjay subramaniam has rendered this song…

http://jumbofiles.com/ymbs77p2m7ot/010- ... y.mp3.html


In the kriti.. E ramuni nammitino – vakulabharanam, thyagaraja narrates a series of incidents and says that he seeks protection from the mighty Sri Rama …

-kind of flowers I worshipped him with…
-Sri Rama who fought with the enemies of his devotees and curb their arrogance..
-Sri Rama who killed demon Kakasura…
-Srirama killed Vali and restored Sugriva's kingdom and family to him..
-Rama killed Ravana and crowned Vibishna as the king of lanka..

Chitoor Subramaniya pillai has rendered this song..

031-E-rAmuni-nammitinO--vakulABharaNa--Triputa--Chitoor Subramania Pillai.mp3 - 3.2 Mb



08 Aug 2012 14:29
There is yet another song where he pleads Sri Rama to protect him….
In the song chinna nADE in raga kaLAnidhi ….he says that the virtuous Lord who had held his hand even from childhood should not abandon him …as he had done all kind of services to the Lord..
This was rendered by Dr S Ramanathan…..

http://jumbofiles.com/r5t1mv2iow6f/009- ... n.mp3.html


Thyagaraja had a curious doubt…He wants to know

as to which is superior – whether His Feet worshiped by Sananda and others and meditated upon by illustrious sages or

The elegant pair of sandals of His Feet worshipped by Bharata…

Now, listen to the song ....

Sandehamunu in the raga ramapriya by Smt. Mangalam Sankar..

http://jumbofiles.com/hkai5zkjaq3w/sand ... r.mp3.html


In the krithi sari evvare zri janaki ni..

Thyagaraja has full praise of Sita devi…
There is none to equal to her who had served Him by remaining together for providing comforts always..even in the dreaded forest by her determination to stay with Sri Rama..

Listen to this song by Raha Jayalakshmi..

http://jumbofiles.com/bwww11e7qel2/R & J-Sariyevvare-Sriranjani-Adhi-Thyagarajar.mp3.html





 09 Aug 2012 15:30
Papanasa Mudaliyar (1650–1725) was an early Carnatic music composer …

His composition 'nadamAdittirintha' in Kambhoji ragam is an example of the Nindastuti

style in musical compositions wherein the superficial meaning of the song seems to

ridicule the deity…

Tyagaraja followed this in songs like Adigi sukhamu in Madhyamavathi raga.

What one desires of Sri Rama are not fulfilled…Thyagaraja gives examples of :

Sita’s desire to see hermitages resulting in her suffering in forests….

Surpanakha desired Rama, but she lost her ear and nose ..

Narada’s curiousity to know God's Maya, resulted in his having changed into a woman….

Doorvasa lost his appetite when he asked for food..

Devaki’s desire to have a child to play with resulted in Yasoda’s pleasure..

Gopikakas have to desert their husbands while longing for Krishna..

You are showing this kind of mercy to your devotees…!!!

This was rendered by Smt. DK Pattammal..

http://jumbofiles.com/ghenmv8ixdth/014- ... P.mp3.html


In the song, ‘enthani nE’ in raga mukhaari, thyagaraja says that sabari was the most fortunate woman....

Who was able to see and worship Sri Rama before her eyes…

Was able to provide the choicest of fruits to Him..

Was able to get rid of worldly bondage and attained moksha..

Arikudi Shri Ramanuja Iyengar has rendered this song...

http://jumbofiles.com/1siyezdervf2/p-ARI 029-entanine--mukhAri--rUpaka--ARI.mp3.html



12 Aug 2012 18:44
Gita rathamu…
Meaning:
O Mind! To understand the significance (arthamu) of the (Bhagavad) Gita and the bliss (ananda) of music, you have only to delve deep into your heart and behold them in their Supreme grandeur. Sri Anjaneya (Vataatmaja) is an eternal witness of this truth, since he treasures the blessed feet (charana) of the Lord (pati) of Sita in the innermost recesses of his heart. Anjaneya is well versed in the five creeds centered around Hari, Hara, Aditya, eternal time Kala and the Karma. This gem of a devotee, beloved of the Lord, worshipped by Indra is in perpetual bliss a
Brahma, can understand and describe and praise them adequately. After creating all the maaya (illusion), you then claim you had nothing to do with them!
Once upon a time, when you asked Arjuna, a human, to destroy the Kauravas, he agonized saying it would be a sin. You, NaaraayaNaa assured him that the effects of that destruction would not be a sin that would adversely affect him, and you gave him salvation…
Listen to SG Kittappa…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOInk943TnQ


In the krti ‘vacamagocarame’ – raga kaikavazi, Sri Tyagaraja relates two incidents to illustrate the greatness of Sri Rama.
How is it possible to describe the greatness of Sri Rama? It is beyond words.
Understanding the mind of Seethamma to make a fan out of the deer’s tail, Lord madhava shoots an arrow to sever the tail of the deer. The deer senseing the arrow, turns its neck towards the arrow ,preferring to die and to save its honour rather than losing its hair. Understanding ,what is going on in its mind the Lord, embodiment of Karunya taking pity, sends another arrow to destroy the first arrow which was already on its way to the target.
”First-Understanding one’s mind:
Seetha did not have to ask- He knew (maanavathi madhinerigi).
The deer did not have to ask for 'prana danam'. In fact, quite the opposite, it wanted to offer its life. But He came to its rescue.
Second, the compassion: Saving the deer's life is even more important to him than satisfying the whims of his consort because he is the saviour of the sufferer (dheenaarthi bhanjanudai).
Third, the speed of response (vegame… munnu chanina baanambunattu chedara jeya ledha).
Kamban says 'Edutthadu kandanar, ittradu kettaar' to tell us the speed with which he handled the Shivadhanus. Raamabaana works at literally the manovegam.
Even in these days of ballistic guided missiles, you may not be able to recall or destroy a missile already locked on to its target, before it causes its lethal effect.

Going back to the anupallavi, you will delight at the tale of yet another deer, the Maareecha 'maaya maan'.
Again to fulfill the wish of the Seetha;
But with how different is the result! Naturally, the qualities of such a perfect being are beyond what can be expressed by word or grasped by thought (vaachamagocharame), says Thyagaraaja “

Bharat Ratna MS Subbulakshmi-The Story of Two Deers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrWs-6oEjE